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Title: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: thepeasantpailfull on March 02, 2012, 11:16:26 AM
I though some might enjoy this new article. I also am posting it because I have to wonder is this their true response to handmade only or just coincidence?

http://www.etsy.com/blog/news/2012/defining-handmade-on-etsy/
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on March 02, 2012, 12:35:40 PM
I though some might enjoy this new article. I also am posting it because I have to wonder is this their true response to handmade only or just coincidence?

http://www.etsy.com/blog/news/2012/defining-handmade-on-etsy/

Interesting article.  :D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on March 02, 2012, 12:43:10 PM
What's interesting is the timing.
It's also funny how it seems there can never be a forum thread without controversy and or snarkiness over there.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on March 02, 2012, 12:43:54 PM
Interesting, but had to laugh at the "time honored tradition of bedazzling."  I have this image of cave-womene bedazzling their furs to liven up long winters by the fire!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on March 02, 2012, 12:55:12 PM
Interesting, but had to laugh at the "time honored tradition of bedazzling."  I have this image of cave-womene bedazzling their furs to liven up long winters by the fire!

 ;D me too!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 02, 2012, 04:09:48 PM
I am laughin so hard....its not even funny anymore...
My Mosaics not handmade!!!!!
My fingers are itching, somebody stop me !!!!! ;D :evil:
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: dahlish on March 02, 2012, 04:30:50 PM
I haven't gone through the comments but wouldn't it have been easier to go through what is NOT considered handmade?  Oh boy.  :)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 02, 2012, 05:51:15 PM
I haven't gone through the comments but wouldn't it have been easier to go through what is NOT considered handmade?  Oh boy.  :)

I agree.... :D and I have decided to get over etsy...it's 'nough for me.... ;D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on March 02, 2012, 06:20:21 PM
Guess we are not the only ones laughing.  Check out this listing which according to Etsy is handmade and Etsy legal  http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk (http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: thepeasantpailfull on March 02, 2012, 08:05:25 PM
the timing is very interesting,that's what i was thinking.

 Realized you knew the listing was a joke and deleted a kindly in all fairness statement. Sorry wasn't paying close attention lol.   ;D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: nicilaskin on March 02, 2012, 10:40:36 PM
"Taking part A and joining it with part B to create item C is one of the simplest ways to create something new"

This is exactly the problem. They should be saying take part A and join it creatively and thoughtfully to part B to create C. Great article. Thanks for posting and the laugh of course
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: dahlish on March 03, 2012, 09:57:17 AM
Guess we are not the only ones laughing.  Check out this listing which according to Etsy is handmade and Etsy legal  http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk (http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk)

 ;D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: CrochetHooked on March 03, 2012, 02:04:13 PM
Hmmm…. very interesting indeed  8)  Thanks for sharing  ;D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: DZI_Designs on March 03, 2012, 06:03:46 PM
Interesting, but had to laugh at the "time honored tradition of bedazzling."  I have this image of cave-womene bedazzling their furs to liven up long winters by the fire!

LoL!! I got a kick out of that too.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on March 03, 2012, 07:28:04 PM
Guess we are not the only ones laughing.  Check out this listing which according to Etsy is handmade and Etsy legal  http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk (http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk)

If I wasn't already married, I'd go for this guy, just for his sense of humor!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on March 03, 2012, 07:34:31 PM
Am I really snooty if the idea that throwing a pendant on a chain = handmade makes me a little ill?  There's no design there, even.  Hell, I do it every day - I have more pendants than chains so I mix & match.  Am I really making handmade jewelry?  Really?

There's a huge difference, I think, between that and what some of our artisans here do.  I mean, not everyone here makes his or her own focals or beads, but everyone here who does jewelry at least designs it.  They take multiple beads and try out the combinations to see how they look.  They try different ways of affixing them together.  They add focals or don't, depending on their preference.  There's design there.

Or am I watching too much project runway?  Put a t-shirt and shorts down the runway & you're getting kicked off.  Do something new or at least your own to the t-shirt & shorts, and you might actually win.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: iKnitQuiltSew on March 03, 2012, 07:40:20 PM
Guess we are not the only ones laughing.  Check out this listing which according to Etsy is handmade and Etsy legal  http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk (http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk)

If I wasn't already married, I'd go for this guy, just for his sense of humor!

My favorite part is the "You don't get the second tie unless you buy two of these!"  But you know what...  It will probably sell!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on March 03, 2012, 07:43:18 PM
Guess we are not the only ones laughing.  Check out this listing which according to Etsy is handmade and Etsy legal  http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk (http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk)

If I wasn't already married, I'd go for this guy, just for his sense of humor!

My favorite part is the "You don't get the second tie unless you buy two of these!"  But you know what...  It will probably sell!

I'd almost buy it just to support the laugh!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: thepeasantpailfull on March 04, 2012, 12:01:19 AM
Slightly related...lost my hope for this upcoming place...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=164468807002077&set=a.149143751867916.32013.140017802780511&type=3

In the comments section " so different and unique"...I hope I'm not being too much of a hater here....I went to check on them and couldn't resist.

I mean I guess in this case they are pearls...am I overreacting?
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on March 04, 2012, 12:23:04 AM
Slightly related...lost my hope for this upcoming place...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=164468807002077&set=a.149143751867916.32013.140017802780511&type=3

In the comments section " so different and unique"...I hope I'm not being too much of a hater here....I went to check on them and couldn't resist.

I mean I guess in this case they are pearls...am I overreacting?

1.  It's pretty ugly.
2.  I've never made an item of jewelry in my life and I could do that.
3.  The cord cheapens the pearls.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 04, 2012, 06:31:09 AM
Girls and gents, I decided I was done with etsy, but those items you all posted got me all riled up again. Soooooo unfair and unbelievable.....(aarrrgghhhh)..... >:(

OK trying to emotionally distance myself.....however they ruined pretty much 9 years of hard work in my buisness, a well established clientel I had and I could not even access them too tell them I moved.....


Good morning all, sweet cheeks :D....we are getting a lot of rain here, and I am grateful we are not in the tornado alley. Those poor people.....

Off to breakfast.....
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: thepeasantpailfull on March 04, 2012, 10:16:25 AM
Sorry to get you riled,I just couldn't resist. It's good that crafts are cool now but it also means any hipster is artist I guess. I just couldn't believe that quote...all the people supporting it make me think I'm missing something...

...by the way thirty bucks for pearls on a cord if you were curious.

It's such a shame,they're not really open yet but proclaim to be handmade only and supplies as well...one stop shopping since since artist need supplies they say.

I guess this is also what I was chatting about the other day...would it be safe to assume we draw the line there and I should report any such corded pearls? None exist that I know of but just asking because I also meant things like this.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on March 04, 2012, 03:45:18 PM
Sorry to get you riled,I just couldn't resist. It's good that crafts are cool now but it also means any hipster is artist I guess. I just couldn't believe that quote...all the people supporting it make me think I'm missing something...

...by the way thirty bucks for pearls on a cord if you were curious.

It's such a shame,they're not really open yet but proclaim to be handmade only and supplies as well...one stop shopping since since artist need supplies they say.

I guess this is also what I was chatting about the other day...would it be safe to assume we draw the line there and I should report any such corded pearls? None exist that I know of but just asking because I also meant things like this.

Report here you mean?  By all means, yes!  We are planning on letting in a certain number and after that jurying in artists into categories that need filling and as others drop off.  I'm sure we run the risk of sounding snobbish but I really intent to have this site be the Tiffany's while they can stay the Walmart.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on March 05, 2012, 05:20:31 PM
Guess we are not the only ones laughing.  Check out this listing which according to Etsy is handmade and Etsy legal  http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk (http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk)

Ok, I went to see and the half the picture shows. I see wire and zip ties. I scroll down to get the whole picture. Zip ties with nuts! Why didn't I come up with that? :o
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on March 05, 2012, 05:42:15 PM
Guess we are not the only ones laughing.  Check out this listing which according to Etsy is handmade and Etsy legal  http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk (http://www.etsy.com/listing/94311647/industrial-steel-pendant-steampunk)

Ok, I went to see and the half the picture shows. I see wire and zip ties. I scroll down to get the whole picture. Zip ties with nuts! Why didn't I come up with that? :o

You can't question pure talent!  :P  Funny thing is, it will probably make the front page any day now!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on March 05, 2012, 07:24:18 PM
Well, I have a whole lot of pearls too! I could string some up real fast for ya! ;)

BTW, did you read the description for the pendant. You DON"T get the top zip tie. It's just there to hold the "pendant" to the "display".  ;D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 09, 2012, 07:25:31 AM
Oh DANG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You only get one zip tie.....sheeesh and I had planned to put them on my peg board,
3 nuts each.................. :o :o :o

ROFTLOL........ :o :o >:( :P ;D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Dragonclaw on March 09, 2012, 10:48:20 AM
Oh DANG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You only get one zip tie.....sheeesh and I had planned to put them on my peg board,
3 nuts each.................. :o :o :o

ROFTLOL........ :o :o >:( :P ;D
I bet if you PM'ed him, he might be willing to include the second zip tie for a nominal fee... (plus extra shipping)  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 09, 2012, 11:47:21 AM
This is toooooo funny, Matt ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on March 09, 2012, 05:37:09 PM
Someone was having fun with Etsy's treasury...featuring all "handmade" owls!  Somehow, someway a bunch of handmade artists came up with the exact same design!  Funny how that works... http://www.etsy.com/treasury/MTU0NTkzNjV8MjM5Nzg2MzY3Mg/simply-unique?page=5&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PageTools&utm_campaign=Share#comments
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on March 09, 2012, 06:01:33 PM
Someone was having fun with Etsy's treasury...featuring all "handmade" owls!  Somehow, someway a bunch of handmade artists came up with the exact same design!  Funny how that works... http://www.etsy.com/treasury/MTU0NTkzNjV8MjM5Nzg2MzY3Mg/simply-unique?page=5&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PageTools&utm_campaign=Share#comments (http://www.etsy.com/treasury/MTU0NTkzNjV8MjM5Nzg2MzY3Mg/simply-unique?page=5&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PageTools&utm_campaign=Share#comments)


Whoa! I needed a laugh! Seems Regretsy is all over it too
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on March 09, 2012, 06:24:58 PM
I may have to break my own rule and make a "themed" treasury too!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 09, 2012, 08:12:01 PM
OMG this is hilarious..... :o :o :o
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 10, 2012, 08:34:27 AM
That treasury got 10 pages of comments "WHOA, unheard of"  was on top of the treasurie page for hours!!!!!!! and as of this morning etsy has still not closed it down.

Shoot, thye make a lot of mulah on resellers, they will not kick them to the kurb, but it is alll so uniquely handmade unique.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Unbelievable..... :o >:(
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 10, 2012, 04:46:08 PM
Anybody seen this....or did I repeat this here....looks all handmade to me too...NOT !!!!

http://www.etsy.com/search/handmade?search_submit=&q=green+eaten+apple+pendant&view_type=gallery&ship_to=US
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Dragonclaw on March 11, 2012, 10:44:58 PM
Someone was having fun with Etsy's treasury...featuring all "handmade" owls!  Somehow, someway a bunch of handmade artists came up with the exact same design!  Funny how that works... http://www.etsy.com/treasury/MTU0NTkzNjV8MjM5Nzg2MzY3Mg/simply-unique?page=5&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PageTools&utm_campaign=Share#comments
This is too funny... and the comments are a HOOT (grin)... I just wish there was a thumbs up or down button on the comments ;)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: RDHwirework on March 12, 2012, 01:06:54 AM
Darn I literally JUST made a post about the owls. Oh and the mum rings I found on regretsy. I gotta say, it is nice to see the resellers getting some appropriate attention. Can you believe that the prices for those owls go up to $18???

And back to the original pendant-pretty sure I just used up all those supplies putting my new shelves up. I should have known I could use them for jewelry! Hmm I wonder if I use a ball chain instead of a zip tie...
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: lisianblue on March 12, 2012, 01:48:05 PM
OMG LOLOLOLOLOLO Thanks I needed a good laugh today! 
Christopher really does some excellent work - really like his line in his intro ."plastic is NOT steampunk"  http://www.etsy.com/shop/CivilianArtificer?ref=seller_info#
will read the article later.............................
and all those unique owls! whew!! isn't that amazing! hehe
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 22, 2012, 11:24:03 AM
You seen this......etsy is on a rampage, closing shops down on a whim and/or no questions asked or answered....if you read all the comments. Just like they did me...

http://www.handmadeology.com/etsy-shop-suspended-what-you-need-to-know/#comment-28110
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on March 22, 2012, 12:42:57 PM
I just read that this morning too, Monika. If anyone has an Etsy shop I would highly recommend downloading your sold orders and listing detail CSV files periodically. That way if you were ever caught in the Etsy hipsters crosshairs and lose you will still have your customer info and listing descriptions.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on March 22, 2012, 01:30:36 PM
I just read that this morning too, Monika. If you have an Etsy shop I would highly recommend downloading your sold orders and listing detail CSV files periodically. That way if you were ever caught in the Etsy hipsters crosshairs and lose you will still have your customer info and listing descriptions.


Also, know that it can happen in the blink of an eye with NO notice!  I got an email about outside links on my profile that had linked to the forum for over 2 years and my shop was gone immediately.  Always have a backup plan.  It makes me so sad to read about all the shops that were doing really well one day, ticked someone off, and their business is suddenly gone with no recourse.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 22, 2012, 04:06:38 PM
Well, to late for me, I complied with everything in their rediculous email, thinking I had no problems as my items are deffo handmade. They did not answer any questions I had, which item etc and one day I was gone ..."poof" no explanation, no questions answered, nothing....I mean everything was gone even my sold items that etsy used to still show on google. I was wiped out like I never excisted.
So to late for me, 8-9 years down the drain, and I had done nothing, absolutely nothing wrong.
Does it make me feel better that I was not the only one on their rampage a week before Christmas, NO, it does not....
Again, I say...they are up to something, and definately "no good".....
so ...NO...I do not have an etsy shop anymore and would not touch them with a ten foot pool over there. I absolutely do not trust them anymore....
I have a sign on under my Moms name, so I can participate in forums and give my 5 cents...(mum is the word)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 23, 2012, 07:37:13 AM
You should keep reading the comments it confirmes so many, many suspisions....
 :police: :evil:
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: AmongTheRuins on March 23, 2012, 08:18:31 AM
I haven't gone through the comments but wouldn't it have been easier to go through what is NOT considered handmade?  Oh boy.  :)

That would be too easy!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on March 23, 2012, 01:52:01 PM
Well, to late for me, I complied with everything in their rediculous email, thinking I had no problems as my items are deffo handmade. They did not answer any questions I had, which item etc and one day I was gone ..."poof" no explanation, no questions answered, nothing....I mean everything was gone even my sold items that etsy used to still show on google. I was wiped out like I never excisted.
So to late for me, 8-9 years down the drain, and I had done nothing, absolutely nothing wrong.
Does it make me feel better that I was not the only one on their rampage a week before Christmas, NO, it does not....
Again, I say...they are up to something, and definately "no good".....
so ...NO...I do not have an etsy shop anymore and would not touch them with a ten foot pool over there. I absolutely do not trust them anymore....
I have a sign on under my Moms name, so I can participate in forums and give my 5 cents...(mum is the word)

You COMPLIED and are still shut down?!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 23, 2012, 02:50:53 PM
Well, to late for me, I complied with everything in their rediculous email, thinking I had no problems as my items are deffo handmade. They did not answer any questions I had, which item etc and one day I was gone ..."poof" no explanation, no questions answered, nothing....I mean everything was gone even my sold items that etsy used to still show on google. I was wiped out like I never excisted.
So to late for me, 8-9 years down the drain, and I had done nothing, absolutely nothing wrong.
Does it make me feel better that I was not the only one on their rampage a week before Christmas, NO, it does not....
Again, I say...they are up to something, and definately "no good".....
so ...NO...I do not have an etsy shop anymore and would not touch them with a ten foot pool over there. I absolutely do not trust them anymore....
I have a sign on under my Moms name, so I can participate in forums and give my 5 cents...(mum is the word)

You COMPLIED and are still shut down?!

Oh yes, Larissa...and no reason given and no questions of mine ever answered.
Its like I never, ever existed.....WIPE OUT !!!!!!!!!!
Of course I made way to many waves, I did not shut up, as I had known I had done nothing wrong, wrote two supervisors, wrote to the new CEO of etsy. I made way to many waves about their new way of kicking people out. 
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on March 23, 2012, 02:56:46 PM
This presents a problem for me.  Much as I'd like to support handmade sellers who happen to have shops on Etsy, I don't want Etsy getting a penny of my money.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on March 23, 2012, 03:22:07 PM
This presents a problem for me.  Much as I'd like to support handmade sellers who happen to have shops on Etsy, I don't want Etsy getting a penny of my money.


Hate to admit it, but I've actually messaged sellers before and asked flat out if they sold anywhere else that I could buy because I really don't want to shop on Etsy.  Most of the time they were happy to point me to another site or offered to send me a PayPal invoice instead of losing a customer.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on March 23, 2012, 03:25:10 PM
All my custom orders (which accounts for at least a third of my business) are listed here once they are complete... even when they originate over "there"  ::)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on March 23, 2012, 04:17:23 PM
Yeah, I look here first anyway, but I figure I'll do the private contact thing too.  And BTW, I have a good friend who's considering leaving Etsy and coming here.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 23, 2012, 05:00:41 PM
Like I mentioned before I have a sign on over "there" under my mothers name, but will not give them another penny, not even thru a seller there.

Found something I liked and contacted the seller thru here and just had her send me an invoice. Worked fine for both of us.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: FischerFineArts on March 24, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
Wow, some of those items you guys posted just really leave me scratching my head, wondering what I'm doing spending hours and hours creating mosaics--not! I'd be embarrassed to put items like those up for sale...

As far as the Etsy thing goes, yep, hearing of just way too many shops being closed down for no good reason prompted me to start migrating my things over here (very soon!) as well as work on my stand-alone website. I had meant to get my shop here opened March 1st, but wound up delaying it until April, and I can't wait to get started!  I haven't decided yet if I'll wind up closing my Etsy shop or not--honestly, one of the main reasons I'd want to stick with it is solely because some of the great mosaic teams I'm in over there...but sales-wise, I could care less.  I am itching for the FB app you guys have in the works, too, so I can take down the Etsy one!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: chainmaille on March 24, 2012, 01:16:38 PM
Well we look forward to having you with us FischerFineArts! The FB app however is on the back burner. The person who was going to make it for us came into some issues. But we'll get it done eventually. As far as staying with Etsy that is a personal decision, but I think everyone should have their own dotcom website. Think of it this way, not that etsy or any of the handmade marketplaces will close down, but you'll have a back door. I think using a self hosted wordpress site is the best alternative. Google loves wordpress and you can use it to help promote your shop as well. We have 2 self hosted wordpress sites for our personal products, http://chainmaillebymboi.com and http://makinthebestofit.com. We also use knownhost to host our websites including this one, and they are excellent.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on March 24, 2012, 01:32:57 PM
Well we look forward to having you with us FischerFineArts! The FB app however is on the back burner. The person who was going to make it for us came into some issues. But we'll get it done eventually. As far as staying with Etsy that is a personal decision, but I think everyone should have their own dotcom website. Think of it this way, not that etsy or any of the handmade marketplaces will close down, but you'll have a back door. I think using a self hosted wordpress site is the best alternative. Google loves wordpress and you can use it to help promote your shop as well. We have 2 self hosted wordpress sites for our personal products, http://chainmaillebymboi.com (http://chainmaillebymboi.com) and http://makinthebestofit.com (http://makinthebestofit.com). We also use knownhost to host our websites including this one, and they are excellent.


I want my own dotcom but I sure don't understand one bit of what it takes to set up a website once you register a domain name - hey, I'm a book binder, whaddya expect?  :-\ [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on March 24, 2012, 01:39:31 PM
I am a firm believer in having multiple places you sell just in case whether it is your own dotcom or other multivendor sites.  Bottom line is things happen and I think people should have a backup plan.  As Andrew said we also have stand alone sites and have no plans to shut them down because we have a following through them.  We promote HAF all the time and very rarely those sites but they still get hits and we get sales...most of mine are for the custom wedding items and I don't want to lose that.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: FischerFineArts on March 24, 2012, 01:57:11 PM
Thanks, and you can call me Mel, or if remembering names (which I know I get bad at), FFA, lol.

I do have a dot com site and was lucky enough to get free for life for the pro version. No % in sales cut, the only thing I need to do is renew my domain annually...yes, the site is E-commerce so it's nice to give people another option for buying, other than Etsy. But once I have my shop here up and running, I will be marketing this place as my primary.

That may not make sense to a lot of people, but it boils down to a marketing thing.  With many forms of artwork, people don't necessarily know that what you have is what they want until they actually run across it. It's not necessarily something they'd search for on their own; it has to be 'discovered' in a sense. It is by far harder to market a stand alone site than it is to market a site like this one, where it already draws a certain clientele. It's exactly the same principle as how fast food places do best when they are located on a street with a lot of other competition, such as Arby's, McDonald's, Burger King, Taco Bell, etc all being within close proximity.  You drive down the street knowing your kids want tacos, but you'd rather get a salad from Wendy's, so you just hit two drive-thru's and head on home and everyone's happy. Or as you're driving down the street, it hits you that you are hungry and seeing all the options, odds are you will stop at one of them to pick up a quick meal.  With your site, the more creative artists join up and create shops to start filling things in, the more people will come back to browse through what's new on the site.

Furthermore, by going to a juried selection of shops at some point, the quality will be there and people can trust that they are buying from some of the very best in their fields.  It doesn't come into play just yet, as juried isn't in place yet, but it will definitely set this site apart from others down the line.  I love the fact that you have a cap to how many shops in each category you'll accept. That also ensures that nobody will get "lost" like many of us do on Etsy.  I will bet you anything that when this site reaches capacity or close to it, so many of the people who may have poo-poo'd it in the past will regret doing so as they simply won't be able to get in until there's a vacancy...oh, but they'd have to be juried in as well!

Part of what draws me here is the fact that I love how supportive this community is of one another. I love the fact that you guys, as admin, DO listen and take to heart what we say and suggest. I'm definitely willing to help out as much as I can since you guys are so willing to help us.

The fact that you even help out with marketing is totally priceless! Gee, now I sound like an ad for you guys...but it's my honest opinion!

Much love to you all...and...well...I may just start setting up my shop right now!  ;)
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Post by: MakinTheBest on March 24, 2012, 02:08:56 PM
You do sound like an ad and we love it!  I also believe that you are right in that once it really gets rolling, the juried aspect is going to set us apart from the rest.  We have already talked about how that will work and I think it will take HAF to a new level; but one thing at a time.


You are right about getting found on your own site.  Mine has been up for a number of years and it is just now getting found regularly, like I said mostly for the wedding stuff, by brides thanks to word of mouth.  I love multivendor sites because I have run into so many things I didn't know I wanted until I was browsing!
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Post by: FischerFineArts on March 24, 2012, 02:17:09 PM
Bah,. I generally keep my PayPal account virtually empty, but looks like it could take 3-5 days to transfer funds there, so setting up shop now may not happen as fast as today. I'll see what happens if I try it now, though...if not, may be a few days.
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Post by: Larissa on March 24, 2012, 08:22:20 PM
That may not make sense to a lot of people, but it boils down to a marketing thing.  With many forms of artwork, people don't necessarily know that what you have is what they want until they actually run across it. It's not necessarily something they'd search for on their own; it has to be 'discovered' in a sense. It is by far harder to market a stand alone site than it is to market a site like this one, where it already draws a certain clientele. It's exactly the same principle as how fast food places do best when they are located on a street with a lot of other competition, such as Arby's, McDonald's, Burger King, Taco Bell, etc all being within close proximity.  You drive down the street knowing your kids want tacos, but you'd rather get a salad from Wendy's, so you just hit two drive-thru's and head on home and everyone's happy. Or as you're driving down the street, it hits you that you are hungry and seeing all the options, odds are you will stop at one of them to pick up a quick meal.  With your site, the more creative artists join up and create shops to start filling things in, the more people will come back to browse through what's new on the site.

Thank you!  This is what I've tried to get across to new vendors here who are wary of a dearth in immediate sales, and you've said it better than I've ever thought to.  I'm going to point the new kids right here to this post when it comes up.
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Post by: lisianblue on March 24, 2012, 11:54:12 PM
It's weird how they let people sell things like those apple necklaces & then shut down someone like Monika!  even if she has some vintage items in her shop, that shouldn't be grounds for getting shut down, right!  But string an "eaten apple" charm on a chain and call it "handmade" is ok??  And not even any notice!
I'd be pretty upset too!
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Post by: Uniqlets on March 25, 2012, 03:09:51 AM
Most of you have probably received this, but if you haven't, it's the link to a blog piece on Handmadeology about someone who's shop got yanked off Etsy.
  http://www.handmadeology.com/etsy-shop-suspended-what-you-need-to-know/  (http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=9r77E&m=3XZg4JKPPnb0gZu&b=16UL3ewijEiTqYPJ9LzEAg)
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Post by: Dee38753 on March 25, 2012, 08:43:26 AM
Most of you have probably received this, but if you haven't, it's the link to a blog piece on Handmadeology about someone who's shop got yanked off Etsy.
  http://www.handmadeology.com/etsy-shop-suspended-what-you-need-to-know/  (http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=9r77E&m=3XZg4JKPPnb0gZu&b=16UL3ewijEiTqYPJ9LzEAg)

Thanks for the link...I had not received this! This situation would be very distressing to any of us! :(
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Post by: MakinTheBest on March 25, 2012, 01:43:43 PM
Just for the heck of it I made a treasury.  All listed under "handmade" and all on the first three pages of a search for Priority Mail.  http://www.etsy.com/treasury/MzY2ODV8MjU1NDcwODA4MQ/shipping-out (http://www.etsy.com/treasury/MzY2ODV8MjU1NDcwODA4MQ/shipping-out)
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Post by: FischerFineArts on March 25, 2012, 02:59:56 PM
Just for the heck of it I made a treasury.  All listed under "handmade" and all on the first three pages of a search for Priority Mail.  http://www.etsy.com/treasury/MzY2ODV8MjU1NDcwODA4MQ/shipping-out (http://www.etsy.com/treasury/MzY2ODV8MjU1NDcwODA4MQ/shipping-out)

Wow! Too funny! Fyi, I was checking ACEO's and was a bit shocked at what I found there, too...could be your next treasury! ;-)
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Post by: MakinTheBest on March 25, 2012, 03:13:34 PM
Just for the heck of it I made a treasury.  All listed under "handmade" and all on the first three pages of a search for Priority Mail.  http://www.etsy.com/treasury/MzY2ODV8MjU1NDcwODA4MQ/shipping-out (http://www.etsy.com/treasury/MzY2ODV8MjU1NDcwODA4MQ/shipping-out)

Wow! Too funny! Fyi, I was checking ACEO's and was a bit shocked at what I found there, too...could be your next treasury! ;-)


Could be fun to make a bunch of them....until they shut me down that is.  After all, they have already shut down one account for a bogus reason and left my other one open for now, but for how long we shall see.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 25, 2012, 03:20:06 PM
Kim...what the heck... :-\ :P :-\ :P :-\ :P

Uneb-freaking-livable.....LOL..... :o
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Post by: MakinTheBest on March 25, 2012, 04:23:53 PM
Kim...what the heck... :-\ :P :-\ :P :-\ :P

Uneb-freaking-livable.....LOL..... :o


Oh, my dear, there are so many silly treasuries to make and so little time to make them all.  Guess I am just in a mood to tick some people off...plus I love the comments that I am supporting a shipping option!  I don't care what they do, but when shipping becomes handmade I quit.
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Post by: Blue Highways on March 25, 2012, 04:44:38 PM
Pahahahaaaa!!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Post by: thepeasantpailfull on March 25, 2012, 04:52:17 PM
I don't know why I even check things there anymore. It so full of debates about the obvious it's not even funny. It's just calmer here,I think I'd stick around just to get calmer opinions even if I end up being to lazy to open a shop.

How long do I have before you start jurying? Or do I get infinity to change from buyer to seller as long as I'm signed up?

Speaking of shipping has it become that complicated?...I mean I've done it before but there is so much confusion there. I have not had these problems they have now.
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Post by: MakinTheBest on March 25, 2012, 07:48:57 PM
I don't know why I even check things there anymore. It so full of debates about the obvious it's not even funny. It's just calmer here,I think I'd stick around just to get calmer opinions even if I end up being to lazy to open a shop.

How long do I have before you start jurying? Or do I get infinity to change from buyer to seller as long as I'm signed up?

Speaking of shipping has it become that complicated?...I mean I've done it before but there is so much confusion there. I have not had these problems they have now.


No matter what you are in when we go to jurying...we have a ways to go before we even think of that! 
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 25, 2012, 07:53:30 PM
Heard of using etsy check out instead of paypal? They will (etsy) hold your money for 7 days!
Here comes etsy wanting to cash in on the big pie and earn interest on your money until they pay you your rightfully earned money from your sales :police: :evil:.
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Post by: thepeasantpailfull on March 25, 2012, 09:02:14 PM
Oh great! I thought it would be some time then got a little nervous. I was reading there was a good idea how jurying would work. Wondered if it was sooner than imagined but you are probably just preparing in advance.
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Post by: MakinTheBest on March 26, 2012, 05:40:31 AM
Heard of using etsy check out instead of paypal? They will (etsy) hold your money for 7 days!
Here comes etsy wanting to cash in on the big pie and earn interest on your money until they pay you your rightfully earned money from your sales :police: >:) .


I'm sorry, but with all the problems at Etsy and the fact that it is run by "kids" playing with toys, I don't want them having any part of my money for any length of time.  With Etsy's history of shutting down shops without warning and having NO way to contact them other then email...what happens to any money you have sitting there?  Scary.


When we were building this site, there was a ton of payment options including us handling payments in house and I knew I didn't want to touch that with a ten foot pole!  I don't want to be responsible for other people's money.


Oh great! I thought it would be some time then got a little nervous. I was reading there was a good idea how jurying would work. Wondered if it was sooner than imagined but you are probably just preparing in advance.


We are preparing in advance...that was decided when we worked out our business plan and laid out what type of venue we wanted HAF to be in the beginning and in the future.  Bottom line is our goal is to end up high end "boutique" style rather than WalMart and have to say that we are well on our way.
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on March 26, 2012, 07:37:15 PM
I love this place.  It's so calm, even serene, compared to the Etsy forums. 
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Post by: MakinTheBest on March 26, 2012, 07:46:22 PM
I love this place.  It's so calm, even serene, compared to the Etsy forums.


Sorry everyone, but I have to laugh every time someone talks about how calm we are over here.  Never in my entire life has anything that I had anything to do with ever been called calm!  Maybe I finally got it right!  :-\
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Post by: Larissa on March 26, 2012, 07:49:14 PM
I love this place.  It's so calm, even serene, compared to the Etsy forums.


Sorry everyone, but I have to laugh every time someone talks about how calm we are over here.  Never in my entire life has anything that I had anything to do with ever been called calm!  Maybe I finally got it right!  :-\

That's like when I'm told I have a ton of patience, mostly when knitting or drawing, or working with kids, painting faces.  And by people who've never seen me waiting in a courthouse hallway for my case to be called, when I'm the least patient person on the planet.
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on March 26, 2012, 09:23:51 PM
I really do know what you mean Kimberly, Larissa.  I guess what I am feeling is the calm and serenity in MYSELF when I read here, as compared to the way I feel when I read the ETsy forums!  There's always that feeling, especially if you have posted something there, of UH OH NOW WHAT!!  LOL  When I read here, it's all kindness and respect and maturity.  That's what I love about HAF...the people.   :-*
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Post by: Larissa on March 26, 2012, 09:34:48 PM
There also seems to be a higher average level of intelligence here.
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on March 26, 2012, 09:37:00 PM
Yes, it really does seem so.   ;D
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Post by: MakinTheBest on March 27, 2012, 06:02:10 AM
I really do know what you mean Kimberly, Larissa.  I guess what I am feeling is the calm and serenity in MYSELF when I read here, as compared to the way I feel when I read the ETsy forums!  There's always that feeling, especially if you have posted something there, of UH OH NOW WHAT!!  LOL  When I read here, it's all kindness and respect and maturity.  That's what I love about HAF...the people.   :-*


I do understand what you mean.  When I was active on Etsy I would cringe before hitting post because I just knew that, from behind the glitter glue forest, a cupcake would jump out at me and tell me to read the TOU or make me feel in some way like an idiot.  Generally, in the real world I can handle myself, but the Etsy forums could put a know in my stomach every time.


I'm so glad you all found us here and enjoy being here as well!
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Post by: thepeasantpailfull on March 27, 2012, 10:39:49 AM
You know what I was think it is...the thing that drew me most was the family show ideal. No items that don't appeal to that audience. It permeates everything and while no family is perfect, i think it does help develop/invite certain restraints. That is to say,people with the ability to have or already have them.

I can be cool and fun but at the same time I am not,I like a family show. Its great to have a lot of freedom to be creative,but if you allow too much you get chaos. Etsy allows you to get sucked into that chaos so easily. At least that is what I think.


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Post by: trusk4u on March 27, 2012, 03:33:16 PM
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Its great to have a lot of freedom to be creative,but if you allow too much you get chaos.

I agree. A little restraint is never a bad thing.
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on March 28, 2012, 12:19:40 PM
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Its great to have a lot of freedom to be creative,but if you allow too much you get chaos.

I agree. A little restraint is never a bad thing.

I totally agree too.
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Post by: MidnightGypsy on March 29, 2012, 07:12:31 PM
Okay, ya'll.... I just GOTTA say - I was involved in that "What constitutes handmade?" discussion that, I think, is STILL going on over there.... as such I feel I must point out that that guy who put up the nuts on a zip tie listing did it to make a point to Etsy that based upon THEIR definition of handmade, that's the kind of junk that can end up over there.  LOL! So it was total sarcasm on his part.   It was quite a laugh on the thread when he did it.    It even inspired a treasury.  LOL. 
http://www.etsy.com/treasury/ODU2OTc2NHwyMzg5ODE0ODUw/i-put-a-hex-on-youyouyounut?index=0

 :P

I had to crack up when Regretsy put out a specific thing to tag listings with so they could create some absurd, hideous thing and then tag it so they'd be searchable by that specific tag to be easily found so that someone could then create a treasury using them.  One of the items actually made it to the front page!  LMAO!
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Post by: Blue Highways on March 29, 2012, 08:50:43 PM
Regretsy is hysterical...but not for the faint of heart. It can get pretty raunchy

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Post by: MidnightGypsy on March 30, 2012, 11:33:41 PM
Regretsy is hysterical...but not for the faint of heart. It can get pretty raunchy

Agreed!  I love it though.  Ha!  It NEVER ceases to amaze me the things that can be found on Etsy that end up over there.... truly.   8)

And I have to agree with whoever said it first upthread... SERENE is definitely the word for the HAF forums comparatively.  There are lots and lots of Etsy peeps that I just adore - but there can be some serious snark in the forums sometimes!
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 31, 2012, 06:57:30 PM
Look whats sold here and they kicked my handmade moaics out...I am amazed, never seemed to care before what poeple sell over there....but since this happened to me.....

I mean Yuck.....I mean what would this fal under handmade, vintage, supplies...I am so lost.....LOL
http://www.etsy.com/shop/CustomCreature?section_id=11080776
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Post by: Uniqlets on March 31, 2012, 07:05:02 PM
I am now thoroughly grossed out!
Look whats sold here and they kicked my handmade moaics out...I am amazed, never seemed to care before what poeple sell over there....but since this happened to me.....

I mean Yuck.....I mean what would this fal under handmade, vintage, supplies...I am so lost.....LOL
http://www.etsy.com/shop/CustomCreature?section_id=11080776 (http://www.etsy.com/shop/CustomCreature?section_id=11080776)
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Post by: Larissa on March 31, 2012, 07:18:06 PM
I am now thoroughly grossed out!
Look whats sold here and they kicked my handmade moaics out...I am amazed, never seemed to care before what poeple sell over there....but since this happened to me.....

I mean Yuck.....I mean what would this fal under handmade, vintage, supplies...I am so lost.....LOL
http://www.etsy.com/shop/CustomCreature?section_id=11080776 (http://www.etsy.com/shop/CustomCreature?section_id=11080776)

I've got a really strong stomach, but this is over the top even for me.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 31, 2012, 07:40:31 PM
I am sorry did not mean to gross you all out, it is just unbelievable....

Please forgive me.... :(
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Post by: Larissa on March 31, 2012, 08:44:45 PM
I am sorry did not mean to gross you all out, it is just unbelievable....

Please forgive me.... :(

No worries, don't be silly.
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Post by: MidnightGypsy on March 31, 2012, 11:31:05 PM
I am sorry did not mean to gross you all out, it is just unbelievable....

Please forgive me.... :(

No worries!  It's a perfect example of some of the things that just make me scratch my head.   To each their own, I suppose. 

Your mosaics are beautiful!  Love that shabby table.  ;-)
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Post by: Uniqlets on April 01, 2012, 12:57:57 AM
I can handle being grossed out, if that counts as handmade, I am thoroughly confused as well.
I am sorry did not mean to gross you all out, it is just unbelievable....

Please forgive me.... :(
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 01, 2012, 06:00:37 AM
Thanks, Midnight....?

and again...this is such a head scratcher about their choices and TOU's.....
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 01, 2012, 06:21:10 AM
Ummm, I have no words for that one other than on a Sunday morning, before breakfast those were a bit much to handle!
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Post by: trusk4u on April 01, 2012, 08:23:40 AM
No kidding! WAY over the top. Personally, I am NOT a big fan of taxidermy, I've seen more than my fair share of it. This however leaves me feeling like I'm in biology class again where it at least serves a real purpose. At the very least, I hope it was as humane as it could be.
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Post by: Dee38753 on April 01, 2012, 08:44:34 AM
Ok.....that was....shall we say a little bit different....to each his own!!
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Post by: Blue Highways on April 03, 2012, 01:09:09 PM

Etsy has figured out and released another way to get 3% plus .25¢ on top of the 3.5% transaction fee and the .20¢ listing fee with their new direct checkout. What a bright money-grubbing-reseller-loving bunch they are. ???


My days are numbered over there. Sales here have beat my Etsy sales 15 to 1 over the past month.
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 03, 2012, 02:13:07 PM

Etsy has figured out and released another way to get 3% plus .25¢ on top of the 3.5% transaction fee and the .20¢ listing fee with their new direct checkout. What a bright money-grubbing-reseller-loving bunch they are. ???


My days are numbered over there. Sales here have beat my Etsy sales 15 to 1 over the past month.


Is this their in house payment system?  I don't know that I would trust Etsy with my money after all that has happened over there.  That is the reason we wanted nothing to do with collecting money...we don't want to be responsible for some mix up!
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 03, 2012, 04:19:48 PM

Etsy has figured out and released another way to get 3% plus .25¢ on top of the 3.5% transaction fee and the .20¢ listing fee with their new direct checkout. What a bright money-grubbing-reseller-loving bunch they are. ???


My days are numbered over there. Sales here have beat my Etsy sales 15 to 1 over the past month.


Is this their in house payment system?  I don't know that I would trust Etsy with my money after all that has happened over there.  That is the reason we wanted nothing to do with collecting money...we don't want to be responsible for some mix up!

Hey in addition they keep your money for 7 days until you get it, I heard...
Oh yeah...we (etsy) are earning interest on money that does nor belong to (etsy)us....
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Post by: FischerFineArts on April 03, 2012, 04:28:08 PM
The direct checkout thing has me scratching my head. You guys here, have it set up to where a person can buy from multiple shops and then check out all in one transaction, right? Or did I miss something?

Either way, the way Etsy has it set up now for direct checkout would make it a nightmare for those who do the ...yes...HANDMADE...CUSTOM...orders. The reason is that the way their new checkout system works, you only get paid until the item is SHIPPED.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 03, 2012, 04:41:34 PM
They are copying ebay/paypal, for SOME over there you only get your money until you get positive feedback with ebay.....how dare they.....if you are one of the "SOME" you have to dish out shipping twice, because you dont get your money from paypal until you have feedback from the buyer....
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 03, 2012, 05:25:21 PM

Etsy has figured out and released another way to get 3% plus .25¢ on top of the 3.5% transaction fee and the .20¢ listing fee with their new direct checkout. What a bright money-grubbing-reseller-loving bunch they are. ???


My days are numbered over there. Sales here have beat my Etsy sales 15 to 1 over the past month.


Is this their in house payment system?  I don't know that I would trust Etsy with my money after all that has happened over there.  That is the reason we wanted nothing to do with collecting money...we don't want to be responsible for some mix up!

Hey in addition they keep your money for 7 days until you get it, I heard...
Oh yeah...we (etsy) are earning interest on money that does nor belong to (etsy)us....


They hold your money for 7 days?  :o   That would set me off, especially with the fact that I do a ton of special order wedding work and get a deposit up front and the balance before I ship.  Would they just hold my deposit until I shipped the entire thing?  That defeats the purpose of getting a deposit to protect myself from someone backing out of an order and me being stuck with a custom piece, usually engraved with names and dates, that I can't sell!
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Post by: Larissa on April 03, 2012, 06:58:11 PM

Etsy has figured out and released another way to get 3% plus .25¢ on top of the 3.5% transaction fee and the .20¢ listing fee with their new direct checkout. What a bright money-grubbing-reseller-loving bunch they are. ???


My days are numbered over there. Sales here have beat my Etsy sales 15 to 1 over the past month.


Is this their in house payment system?  I don't know that I would trust Etsy with my money after all that has happened over there.  That is the reason we wanted nothing to do with collecting money...we don't want to be responsible for some mix up!

Hey in addition they keep your money for 7 days until you get it, I heard...
Oh yeah...we (etsy) are earning interest on money that does nor belong to (etsy)us....


They hold your money for 7 days?  :o   That would set me off, especially with the fact that I do a ton of special order wedding work and get a deposit up front and the balance before I ship.  Would they just hold my deposit until I shipped the entire thing?  That defeats the purpose of getting a deposit to protect myself from someone backing out of an order and me being stuck with a custom piece, usually engraved with names and dates, that I can't sell!

That's because protecting the sellers is not their concern.
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Post by: iKnitQuiltSew on April 07, 2012, 02:03:46 PM
Okay...  the taxidermy things are ridiculous.  Good grief!

All but three items in my Etsy shop are set to expire very soon.  Although I can't claim lots of sales anywhere right now (this is NOT a complaint...  things are just slow), I refuse to pay Etsy to represent me further.  My items are handmade arts and crafts, and Etsy's platform is NOT complimentary or a good fit with my work.  My HA shop will be my only shop very, very soon.  Iam seriously considering canceling the rest of my listings before they expire.  In all honesty, some of the goings-on there were laughable to me in the past.  That's not even true any more.

I'm done with my vent now................
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 07, 2012, 02:43:20 PM

Etsy has figured out and released another way to get 3% plus .25¢ on top of the 3.5% transaction fee and the .20¢ listing fee with their new direct checkout. What a bright money-grubbing-reseller-loving bunch they are. ???


My days are numbered over there. Sales here have beat my Etsy sales 15 to 1 over the past month.


Is this their in house payment system?  I don't know that I would trust Etsy with my money after all that has happened over there.  That is the reason we wanted nothing to do with collecting money...we don't want to be responsible for some mix up!

Hey in addition they keep your money for 7 days until you get it, I heard...
Oh yeah...we (etsy) are earning interest on money that does nor belong to (etsy)us....


They hold your money for 7 days?  :o   That would set me off, especially with the fact that I do a ton of special order wedding work and get a deposit up front and the balance before I ship.  Would they just hold my deposit until I shipped the entire thing?  That defeats the purpose of getting a deposit to protect myself from someone backing out of an order and me being stuck with a custom piece, usually engraved with names and dates, that I can't sell!

That's because protecting the sellers is not their concern.

They are turning into "feebay" and yes they do not have the seller in mind and their handmade work. Get oput while you can, I too take depostits on custom work, them keeping my money for 7 days fro payput and/or until I ship, no way in H****

Thats how Feebay/paypal started out a lil while ago on a new account. You had to dish out shipping from your own pocket, you are out the item, becasue you have to ship and dont get your money until you get pos Feedback. Some dont even leave feedback and then you wait 21 days to get your money....
Etsy just figured out a way to make some money on $$$ they do not own in an interest bearing account.
Mind you, Etsy is not a bank and not governed/fall under the Bank regulations and FDIC protections. It's against the law to do what they are doing.

Paypal has the biggest class action law suit going against them right now, or is it settled and they lost, I do not know....for sure.
Papyal is a Payment Processing Center, just becasue they snug in offering a Credit Card does still not make them a bank and have the right to hold your money.
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Post by: iKnitQuiltSew on April 07, 2012, 05:33:29 PM
I actually have a Paypal Credit card.  It's an easy way to use the money in my Paypal account...  I buy some shop related item, then pay the bill with Paypal money.  But the card isn't issued by Paypal; it's issued by GE Credit.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: FischerFineArts on April 09, 2012, 03:09:56 PM
You guys may not like my response to this at all. Doesn't matter to me, but hear me out, please.

I don't say that one site is better for others or not, however that really depends on what you are selling. Do I condone what Etsy did to Monika, no, absolutely not, especially as she was never given a reason for why.

Each site is different...each offers their own unique things. Learn to let it go if you had a bad experience there as the negative comments you make now reflect upon your business and you. Let's just all move forward, period and make this a great site.

I am marketing this site, yes, made recmmendations to a select few who have asked my advice. But if they come here and see it's nothing but "etsy haters", then no, it will not happen. That is the number one turn off to me on this site, to be honest. I have promoted this site as a very helpful, caring group, that supports one another that has some great features that Etsy does not.

But if you want to continue to market this site as the place to be, the Etsy hate stuff HAS TO STOP. It's a huge turn off to me, and probably to many others as well.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: chainmaille on April 09, 2012, 03:30:43 PM
I agree with what your saying, but I'm not sure If I would say this thread is all etsy haters. I don't think that is true, there are many who are venting. Many in this thread are on Etsy as well. Hell we used to have an Etsy street team before we shut it down, and got hell from our members for shutting down LOL
The point is we try not to censor, what our members say, if they want to go on a rant, they should feel free too. The only real censoring we do is spam, we used to get a lot more than we do now since we merged and changed the login process.
Kimberly and I started on selling on Etsy in in 1996 when they were a baby like us, stayed for a few years and left for many of the same reasons that people are complaining about in this thread.
Anyway as the site owners, I personally feel that this thread isn't spewing straight hate for Etsy although some may hate Etsy. But venting and pointing out things they don't like.
I am thankful to have you with us, and do not want to upset you in anyway, your work is wonderful and I do see your promotional efforts. As a matter of fact I commented earlier thanking you in the etsy forum. But I hope you see our point as the site owners not to censor within reason, if this thread were on Etsy speaking about our site, good or bad, the thread would be closed and shut down just like a half a dozen threads about us.  We try very hard to be an open book, for the most part, I dare not count how many mistakes we have made over the years, but I can say we have been honest.
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Post by: FischerFineArts on April 09, 2012, 04:19:34 PM
I agree with you, Andrew. Also, one of the things I do love about this site is the lack of sensorship...we are free to al speak our minds.

With that said, in speaking our minds, it is not always best to keep harping over certan issues we have all experienced in the past. It truly is important to say that yes, "I experienced xyz from X shop site

You guys have much to offer here and it often gets glossed over due to the negatives from other sites. I am suggesting to all to take a more proactive approach and help promote this site in a positive and professional manner. Look at what you have to offer....unlimited listings for just $5 a month and you don't ask for any commission? The fact that you guys are looking at closing off categories o make this a small select community is HUGE to me...don't want to see another site spammed with nothing but jewelry on the front page...and yes, I see that now. So an item that took me 30 hours to make can be easily spammed of by 1/2 hour jewelry within moments. hMMM...something I really have to consider seriously in this venue. My items take a lot more time to create, Andrew, so let me think on you idea of fair on the front page.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 09, 2012, 05:53:12 PM
I posted this already on another thread, but let me lighten this up a bit. My client received her mosaic box and this is what she wrote to me:
******************************************************************
I just arrived home from work to find a large package from you...I eagerly opened it and all I can say is "WOW!!".  The mosaic box is even more spectacular in person than as pictured.  I absolutely LOVE it and will treasure it always. To say I am thrilled and grateful is an understatement.  Between the unexpected gifts -- How incredibly nice of you!!!  Thank you!! -- and the superb packing job and the extraordinarily beautiful mosaic creation, you are truly special.
 
I would appreciate it if you would forward me photos of the tray when you complete it, as well as any other mosaic pieces you create.  I would be honored to purchase additional works of your art if price and my space will allow:)
 
Thanks you so very, very much, Ally
******************************************************************
So, now I am still thinking of what etsy did to me. Are they worth my time, no, but facts are facts and thats all I was trying to share.
You all have a wonderfull evening, I will now....yeahhhhhh..... :-[ ;D ;D :-*
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Post by: chainmaille on April 09, 2012, 07:15:07 PM
I agree with you, Andrew. Also, one of the things I do love about this site is the lack of sensorship...we are free to al speak our minds.

With that said, in speaking our minds, it is not always best to keep harping over certan issues we have all experienced in the past. It truly is important to say that yes, "I experienced xyz from X shop site

You guys have much to offer here and it often gets glossed over due to the negatives from other sites. I am suggesting to all to take a more proactive approach and help promote this site in a positive and professional manner. Look at what you have to offer....unlimited listings for just $5 a month and you don't ask for any commission? The fact that you guys are looking at closing off categories o make this a small select community is HUGE to me...don't want to see another site spammed with nothing but jewelry on the front page...and yes, I see that now. So an item that took me 30 hours to make can be easily spammed of by 1/2 hour jewelry within moments. hMMM...something I really have to consider seriously in this venue. My items take a lot more time to create, Andrew, so let me think on you idea of fair on the front page.
I agree that the high road is the way to go  and any promotional efforts would be greatly appreciated.  As far as your last sentence goes, I'm not sure if I get what your saying.

I personally think we do have a lot to offer and we are growing everyday, so I'm very hopeful for the future.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: thepeasantpailfull on April 09, 2012, 10:43:01 PM
i'm going to venture a guess,possibly an incorrect one. if i'm right i would say that last sentence was trying to say something about variety. The thing is as a small group that mostly does jewelry(im one of the few otherwise)there isn't as much to show.

I would love to see more felters for example but the thing is they aren't here yet,but of course they would be welcome and have equal say.
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Post by: Larissa on April 09, 2012, 11:05:24 PM
Don't forget, the shop will be closed to saturated types of artisans first, not all types.
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 10, 2012, 06:11:06 AM
Don't forget, the shop will be closed to saturated types of artisans first, not all types.


Yes, we will close categories in different orders once we reach that point, but as we are now we can't do that.  I knew when we started that jewelry would dominate for a while but there is a plan that will just take time. 
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: iKnitQuiltSew on April 10, 2012, 08:30:41 AM
As the Chair of two very different , pretty good size, juried regional arts festivals, I can tell you that jewelry artists run at least 5 to 1 over any other medium.  So when opening a venue, whether in cyberspace or reality, you're going to be presented with jewelry more than anything else (followed by pottery in our experience).  That doesn't dilute what is being said at all...  I work for a month on a quilt and it gets front page exposure for a few minutes...  same story...

That being said, I simply LOVE the fact that I get any front page exposure!  I do like the fact that every new listing goes to the front page.  If the front page is being hand-picked, only the 'favorites' will be there.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on April 10, 2012, 08:55:49 AM
As the Chair of two very different , pretty good size, juried regional arts festivals, I can tell you that jewelry artists run at least 5 to 1 over any other medium.  So when opening a venue, whether in cyberspace or reality, you're going to be presented with jewelry more than anything else (followed by pottery in our experience).  That doesn't dilute what is being said at all...  I work for a month on a quilt and it gets front page exposure for a few minutes...  same story...

That being said, I simply LOVE the fact that I get any front page exposure!  I do like the fact that every new listing goes to the front page.  If the front page is being hand-picked, only the 'favorites' will be there.


Thanks Sandi.  Quite honestly, I am not a fan of curated front pages for many reasons and am a fan for others.  Basically, I want all handmade crafters to have their moment in the sun, so to speak, by getting front page exposure but I realize that this means certain crafts that go fast are going to pop up faster because they can make and list them faster.  On the other side, I don't like hand picked front pages because my taste is certainly not the same as everyone elses and this leads to the dreaded favorites.


I have always loved the fact that the people here are positive, even when giving critiques or seeing works that are not their style.  It is one of the reasons that when I do featured artist articles I do not hand chose who gets one and who doesn't...basically if you send me the interview and your shop is stocked I will write it up and put it in the lineup for posting.  I do not want favorites played out on this site and wouldn't say it if I did have some!
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Post by: thepeasantpailfull on April 10, 2012, 10:22:37 AM
Thanks all,that's pretty much what i think too. Just one last thing,I'm also wondering if the concern was because of a misunderstanding that the front page is curated?

its only recent postings...and as said those who ask to be featured and have a full shop. its pretty co-op around here.
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 10, 2012, 10:36:11 AM
Thanks all,that's pretty much what i think too. Just one last thing,I'm also wondering if the concern was because of a misunderstanding that the front page is curated?

its only recent postings...and as said those who ask to be featured and have a full shop. its pretty co-op around here.


Andrew and I used to joke around about starting a handmade co-op/commune/compound in the middle of nowhere...you know, hippie love and crafting!  Maybe we managed to make and online version of one without trying!
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Post by: Larissa on April 12, 2012, 09:35:18 AM
I actually bit the bullet and bought something directly off Etsy the other night, despite the issues.  But it was a bracelet I'd been eyeing for my sis for her birthday, and it was from Among the Ruins (I'd so been hoping it was listed in the HAFshop) and we had $ in the paypal acct, so Eric said, "order NOW so we don't notice it" ... so I didn't have time to contact Kim about a side deal. 

On the plus side, one of those awesome copper bracelets is on its way here!
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Post by: chainmaille on April 12, 2012, 10:01:04 AM
I actually bit the bullet and bought something directly off Etsy the other night, despite the issues.  But it was a bracelet I'd been eyeing for my sis for her birthday, and it was from Among the Ruins (I'd so been hoping it was listed in the HAFshop) and we had $ in the paypal acct, so Eric said, "order NOW so we don't notice it" ... so I didn't have time to contact Kim about a side deal. 

On the plus side, one of those awesome copper bracelets is on its way here!
She has a HAFshop, just hasn't listed much yet. I'm sure she would of thrown it up there for you. LOL
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on April 12, 2012, 11:01:59 AM
I actually bit the bullet and bought something directly off Etsy the other night, despite the issues.  But it was a bracelet I'd been eyeing for my sis for her birthday, and it was from Among the Ruins (I'd so been hoping it was listed in the HAFshop) and we had $ in the paypal acct, so Eric said, "order NOW so we don't notice it" ... so I didn't have time to contact Kim about a side deal. 

On the plus side, one of those awesome copper bracelets is on its way here!
She has a HAFshop, just hasn't listed much yet. I'm sure she would of thrown it up there for you. LOL

I thought of that, but Eric wouldn't give me time and I had no idea if she'd be available to do it right that minute.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on April 12, 2012, 04:40:13 PM
[quoteShe has a HAFshop, just hasn't listed much yet. I'm sure she would of thrown it up there for you. LOL][/quote]


 :P Don't you think that would be awfully messy?  :laugh:
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on April 12, 2012, 05:34:34 PM



 :P Don't you think that would be awfully messy?  :laugh:


Groan!  :-\
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: FischerFineArts on April 19, 2012, 03:37:18 PM
I have to admit, though, the more I'm there, the more I see, the less I want to be there (on Etsy).  I have been following a lot of posts and trends (business-wise, not market wise for the sake of this post) and I just see nothing but a surmounting plethora of aggravations. That direct checkout thing, so far, nobody can say for sure if it's increasing sales or not, although it doesn't help that that seems to be the "default" pay system for those that have it.

One of my most recent frustrations had to do with a team that was set to private, but had a member selling trademarked and copyrighted items. The bottom line was the answer I got to this issue was that they won't enforce anything Etsy won't, ie, copyright infringements, etc. And yes, I'm now the "bad guy" for taking a stand. Needless to say, I did leave the group as I don't want my business affiliated with supporting that (and yes, I had a few people ask me, who are fans).

Sometimes I just feel like pulling my hair out. Anyone else?
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Post by: iKnitQuiltSew on April 19, 2012, 09:23:16 PM
I have to admit, though, the more I'm there, the more I see, the less I want to be there (on Etsy).  I have been following a lot of posts and trends (business-wise, not market wise for the sake of this post) and I just see nothing but a surmounting plethora of aggravations. That direct checkout thing, so far, nobody can say for sure if it's increasing sales or not, although it doesn't help that that seems to be the "default" pay system for those that have it.

One of my most recent frustrations had to do with a team that was set to private, but had a member selling trademarked and copyrighted items. The bottom line was the answer I got to this issue was that they won't enforce anything Etsy won't, ie, copyright infringements, etc. And yes, I'm now the "bad guy" for taking a stand. Needless to say, I did leave the group as I don't want my business affiliated with supporting that (and yes, I had a few people ask me, who are fans).

Sometimes I just feel like pulling my hair out. Anyone else?

This assumes you have hair left to pull out!  You're in good company here, Fischer, and we're delighted to have you!
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Post by: FischerFineArts on April 20, 2012, 11:25:37 AM
Some, but it is diminishing day by day. What's left of my hair is turning grey, lol.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 20, 2012, 11:37:53 AM
You will be fine, girl, use blond highlights....tehehehehe..... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 22, 2012, 04:53:42 PM
Just found out something interesting. All my etsy feedback is still out there on google, but the buyers information is made private, so I still cannot get to my former clients......
(sigh)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 22, 2012, 07:22:18 PM
Just spend two hours to change my shop names out on ALL my blog posts, no more free advertising for etsy...... :evil:

131 of them were signed with my former etsy shop. :P

Okey.....now I can relax, hvae great eve..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on April 22, 2012, 07:37:19 PM
Just spend two hours to change my shop names out on ALL my blog posts, no more free advertising for etsy...... :evil:

131 of them were signed with my former etsy shop. :P

Okey.....now I can relax, hvae great eve..... ;D ;D

Wow, that's a lot of work.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 22, 2012, 08:00:07 PM
I was bored.....LOL....

(they treaded me to bad to get that free advertising on my blog, just I had their link in my posting).....tehehehehehe.....

Off to crochet another pretty cnacer ladys hat..... ;D
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Post by: Larissa on April 22, 2012, 08:26:58 PM
It's better for your SEO not to have dead links on your blog anyway, so if you were linking to your old shop that'd actually hurt your blog's rankings.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 23, 2012, 06:30:14 AM
See...didnt know that one either, it was worth my time.....(big Smile)

Good Morning....... ;D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on April 23, 2012, 07:51:38 AM
Larissa is right, google doesn't like dead links!


Well, the drama continues...apparently Regretsy got ahold of the fact that they featured a seller that is a reseller claiming to make furniture from reclaimed boat wood.  Huge drama along with screen shots of import claim forms and a lot of "misunderstandings."  People are demanding Etsy apologize but I'm sure they will never get that. 
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 23, 2012, 08:24:03 AM
Oh well, Kim...
I searched the internet yeasterday...we have really abslolutely no idea how bad they have been at work and kicked people out with just a stupid canned letter and others had to fight. 1000 upon 1000.....it is insurmentable....(is that a word?)
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 23, 2012, 09:01:19 AM
Oh well, Kim...
I searched the internet yeasterday...we have really abslolutely no idea how bad they have been at work and kicked people out with just a stupid canned letter and others had to fight. 1000 upon 1000.....it is insurmentable....(is that a word?)


 :-*   If it isn't a word it should be!
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 23, 2012, 10:22:55 AM
Insurmountable !!!!?????..................LOL........

Yer sweet, ma dear.....
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Post by: trusk4u on April 23, 2012, 03:02:17 PM
A friend of mine shared this on her FB page and I thought I'd share with you guys. Seems Etsy has gotten itself into some hot water again.  :o

http://consumerist.com/2012/04/etsy-features-seller-who-may-be-blatantly-violating-etsy-policy.html
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on April 23, 2012, 04:35:33 PM
GAH! Just beat my heat against the wall and really feel no better.

I have been biding my time over there making no waves (and lately no sales) just waiting for the right time to take down my shingle - the time is now. My sales have tanked there but have picked up here nicely considering it's still less than a year old. Is it because I've been promoting my HAF shop more than the other one? Maybe. But that just goes to show what a little (ok, a lot) of effort in promoting will do, I simply shifted my time to my HAF shop. I will start letting my items expire and not list any new books. I've registered my own domain and will open my online shop and of course keep one here.
'....get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!" ~Network

I'm done. Es ist vorbei. Se termino. C'est fini.  E' Sopra. ....that's all I got but you get the picture  ;)
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Post by: gemlover on April 23, 2012, 06:15:40 PM
it's just a matter of ETHICS, theirs are equated with monetary gain only.
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Post by: Blue Highways on April 23, 2012, 06:33:49 PM
it's just a matter of ETHICS, theirs are equated with monetary gain only.


EXACTLY
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on April 23, 2012, 06:35:04 PM
That article made me sad, especially after the way Kim & Monika and others have been treated.  I really love the idea of Etsy.  But if they don't police themselves, they're going to become known as just a big ol' mall, which completely destroys the point.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 23, 2012, 06:38:25 PM
GAH! Just beat my heat against the wall and really feel no better.

I have been biding my time over there making no waves (and lately no sales) just waiting for the right time to take down my shingle - the time is now. My sales have tanked there but have picked up here nicely considering it's still less than a year old. Is it because I've been promoting my HAF shop more than the other one? Maybe. But that just goes to show what a little (ok, a lot) of effort in promoting will do, I simply shifted my time to my HAF shop. I will start letting my items expire and not list any new books. I've registered my own domain and will open my online shop and of course keep one here.
'....get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!" ~Network

I'm done. Es ist vorbei. Se termino. C'est fini.  E' Sopra. ....that's all I got but you get the picture  ;)


Uhhhhhh.......Andrea, you made your point multi lingual, love it...gave me goose bumps......a kindred soul...
Kick that bad one to the kurb..... :police: :evil:

Larissa, you are right, and I always said since this happened to me, they are turning into Feebay....."handmade my *************"
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 23, 2012, 06:41:17 PM
Do us a favor please, if you see Andrew and I getting too important for ourselves and moving away from our original mission statement which I still firmly believe in; please slap us both us side the head and remind us why we started this insanity to begin with!  :police:
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Post by: Larissa on April 23, 2012, 06:46:19 PM
Do us a favor please, if you see Andrew and I getting too important for ourselves and moving away from our original mission statement which I still firmly believe in; please slap us both us side the head and remind us why we started this insanity to begin with!  :police:

I have your address & live in driving distance.  I'd drive down there & smack you for real.

So if you ever see me drive up, get out, smack you, and hop back in the car & head north, you'll know what it means.   ;)
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 23, 2012, 06:53:14 PM
Y''all made me chuckle....the 3 stooges.... ;D ;D ;D, oh no the 4 stooges..... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Post by: Blue Highways on April 23, 2012, 06:53:42 PM
Quote
Uhhhhhh.......Andrea, you made your point multi lingual, love it...gave me goose bumps......a kindred soul...


Psst...Monika, German is my first language  ;)
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 23, 2012, 06:58:50 PM
Quote
Uhhhhhh.......Andrea, you made your point multi lingual, love it...gave me goose bumps......a kindred soul...


Psst...Monika, German is my first language  ;)

YAY ...Andrea.....Thats what I said a kindred soul, I speak some more European languages - they are totally useless in America....(sigh)  what a shame....
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 23, 2012, 08:04:32 PM
Quote
Uhhhhhh.......Andrea, you made your point multi lingual, love it...gave me goose bumps......a kindred soul...


Psst...Monika, German is my first language  ;)

YAY ...Andrea.....Thats what I said a kindred soul, I speak some more European languages - they are totally useless in America....(sigh)  what a shame....


Not useless!  I miss hearing German since that is what I grew up listening too!   :-*
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 24, 2012, 06:44:25 AM
Awwww......Kim, I can't talk to you, but how about this...

Guten Morgen, wie gehts Dir heute, haben wir schoenes Wetter, ja....

Sorry you cant hear it....no I mean  -really some other European langages are useless here, all you need is spanish, thats what I meant.
And spanish I dont speak and do  not wish to learn, as some of them demand  to be spoken too in spanish and demand things translated for them. Sorry, you came to this country, learn English like I did and that is our language here.

(OMG....shut up, Monika)
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 24, 2012, 06:46:15 AM
OK, let me try this again...

Good Morning everyone, I slept in today and boy did that feel good....
Have to hurry up and get showered and dressed, handyman is coming shortly....
be back later....
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 24, 2012, 06:47:09 AM
ANd posted in the wrong thread...(groan)
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 24, 2012, 07:09:16 AM
Awwww......Kim, I can't talk to you, but how about this...

Guten Morgen, wie gehts Dir heute, haben wir schoenes Wetter, ja....

Sorry you cant hear it....no I mean  -really some other European langages are useless here, all you need is spanish, thats what I meant.
And spanish I dont speak and do  not wish to learn, as some of them demand  to be spoken too in spanish and demand things translated for them. Sorry, you came to this country, learn English like I did and that is our language here.

(OMG....shut up, Monika)


Good morning, Monika!  I am doing pretty good here and today the weather is beautiful!


Thanks for that!  I completely understand your frustration as I watched my Omi go through it for years and she spoke 5 languages...but not Spanish.  We are going through the language thing with Spencer right now because he has to chose a language to take through high school and his choices are Italian, German, French or Spanish.  As much as he wants to take Italian I had to kind of push him to pick Spanish because it is the one that he will get the most use out of.  I had to explain that the others will only be useful if he travels to those countries because so few people in the US speak another language.
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Post by: Larissa on April 24, 2012, 07:18:54 AM
My sister and I took French when faced with the choices of only French or Spanish.  It was useful across a good portion of Europe - much more than Spanish would have been.  The only time I wish i knew Spanish was when working as a lawyer in West New York, a VERY Latino area.

But yeah, it is more sensible here.

Me, I'm still annoyed that my father knows like 5 languages and all they taught me was English.  And one of those, to a lesser extent than others, is German... because he speaks Yiddish.  My mom used to tell us to gie shluffen.  Go to sleep, right?  Same in German?
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Post by: Dragonclaw on April 24, 2012, 10:02:44 AM
Do us a favor please, if you see Andrew and I getting too important for ourselves and moving away from our original mission statement which I still firmly believe in; please slap us both us side the head and remind us why we started this insanity to begin with!  :police:
Will do!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 24, 2012, 11:15:36 AM
My sister and I took French when faced with the choices of only French or Spanish.  It was useful across a good portion of Europe - much more than Spanish would have been.  The only time I wish i knew Spanish was when working as a lawyer in West New York, a VERY Latino area.

But yeah, it is more sensible here.

Me, I'm still annoyed that my father knows like 5 languages and all they taught me was English.  And one of those, to a lesser extent than others, is German... because he speaks Yiddish.  My mom used to tell us to gie shluffen.  Go to sleep, right?  Same in German?

Yep Larissa, my mom spoke a lot of Yiddish.....
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Post by: trusk4u on April 24, 2012, 04:46:16 PM
I heard the occassional bit of Croatian from my maternal Grandfather. And Finnish from the general population since there is a large Finnish (Scandanavian in general) presence in the UP of Michigan.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 24, 2012, 07:36:23 PM
It is worth reading the updates....etsy has shut down every thread that chats about this "handmade feature Seller" and every piee f furniture is availabel on overstock.com
It just beats me, how they work over there....speechless  :evil: :evil: :police:

http://www.regretsy.com/
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Post by: Larissa on April 24, 2012, 11:34:53 PM
And deleted her negative feedback.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 25, 2012, 05:07:59 AM
OMG...they did, didnt they....just read them yesterday.... ???

I am ready to puke, thinking what I went thru and Kim.....and then this....the shop is still open and according to them everything is fine.....I have to shut up.... :-X
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 25, 2012, 05:31:35 AM
Nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.etsy.com/treasury/MTUwNDY5NTl8MjcyMDE2MjA3OQ/occupy-etsy-in-solidarity-with-other
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 25, 2012, 05:34:25 AM
Gets better....

http://www.etsy.com/treasury/NTIzMzg2OHwyNzIyNzMxMDI4/thailand-resellers?index=0.
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Post by: Larissa on April 25, 2012, 07:46:51 AM
What were those links?  The pages were deleted.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 25, 2012, 08:03:41 AM
They were all chat threads, calling out etsy to get rid of this reseller....figures....
to late really, they finally lost face now wiht a lot of handmade sellers...

Excuse me, they were treasuries, made up of pictures of items spelling out "occupy etsy" and the other one was resellers t=shirts, similar to the owl thing.....
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Post by: Blue Highways on April 25, 2012, 08:43:26 AM
hahaha! I read the one about "Occupy Etsy" before it was deleted - I do believe the natives are restless
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Post by: gemlover on April 25, 2012, 08:49:57 AM
Unfortunately.the only non American English that I speak is rather nasty cussing. 
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Post by: chainmaille on April 25, 2012, 01:07:17 PM
A new site popped up since the last debaucle on Etsy with the featured reseller http://www.revoltsy.com/2012/04/totes-amazeboats_23.html
There is an area here http://www.revoltsy.com/2012/04/handmadeartistscom-open-post.html set up for comments for people who are on handmade artists'. So any comments there would be appreciated, who knows, anything helps right.
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Post by: Blue Highways on April 25, 2012, 01:29:30 PM
Well of course I posted  ;)
And yes, EVERYTHING helps - thanks for tirelessly getting us out there, I think I can speak for most here - we'll back you alllll the way.
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Post by: Blue Highways on April 25, 2012, 01:30:17 PM
Unfortunately.the only non American English that I speak is rather nasty cussing.


HA! I think many can say that! :laugh:
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Post by: Larissa on April 25, 2012, 01:50:06 PM
A new site popped up since the last debaucle on Etsy with the featured reseller http://www.revoltsy.com/2012/04/totes-amazeboats_23.html
There is an area here http://www.revoltsy.com/2012/04/handmadeartistscom-open-post.html set up for comments for people who are on handmade artists'. So any comments there would be appreciated, who knows, anything helps right.

Posted, of course.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 25, 2012, 03:57:45 PM
But of course....I did... :-*
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Post by: Larissa on April 25, 2012, 04:03:30 PM
Andrew, Kim, the blog author asked if you want her to put in the primary post that you'll be limiting artists at the HAFshop - wants one of you to email her so she can talk to you about it directly.
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 25, 2012, 04:06:08 PM
Andrew, Kim, the blog author asked if you want her to put in the primary post that you'll be limiting artists at the HAFshop - wants one of you to email her so she can talk to you about it directly.


I'll take care of it...thanks for the heads up!
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 25, 2012, 05:50:31 PM
So here is etsy, trowing their own rules to the curb, guess thats as close as you can get to an excuse from them you will ever hear.

https://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10199058
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 25, 2012, 05:52:34 PM
If anyone here still has an etsy shop, here is a option, suggestion by someone...

Quote:
wildwoodflower
April 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm
I’m part of a group of Etsy sellers who are organizing a 1-day shutdown of our shops on May 1st. We’re going to deactivate all our listings, but leave the shops up with statements about resellers. So if anyone wants to join the party, there’s plenty of room…
end quote:

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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 25, 2012, 05:56:09 PM
Etsy has been very busy, last night and today shutting down threads...

http://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10200962/page/1
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Post by: Larissa on April 25, 2012, 06:23:01 PM
If anyone here still has an etsy shop, here is a option, suggestion by someone...

Quote:
wildwoodflower
April 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm
I’m part of a group of Etsy sellers who are organizing a 1-day shutdown of our shops on May 1st. We’re going to deactivate all our listings, but leave the shops up with statements about resellers. So if anyone wants to join the party, there’s plenty of room…
end quote:

I love this concept - I'm a fan of protesting for good causes - but anyone who's participating needs to be prepared for Etsy to shut them down permanently.  Etsy does not like vocal adversaries.

Remind them to get all their customer contact info somewhere where they can get to it, save all their feedback somewhere, and save their photos and descriptions somewhere.  Also their tags.

And tell them they always have a home here if they get booted from Etsy.  :D
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 25, 2012, 06:29:02 PM
If anyone here still has an etsy shop, here is a option, suggestion by someone...

Quote:
wildwoodflower
April 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm
I’m part of a group of Etsy sellers who are organizing a 1-day shutdown of our shops on May 1st. We’re going to deactivate all our listings, but leave the shops up with statements about resellers. So if anyone wants to join the party, there’s plenty of room…
end quote:

I love this concept - I'm a fan of protesting for good causes - but anyone who's participating needs to be prepared for Etsy to shut them down permanently.  Etsy does not like vocal adversaries.

Remind them to get all their customer contact info somewhere where they can get to it, save all their feedback somewhere, and save their photos and descriptions somewhere.  Also their tags.

And tell them they always have a home here if they get booted from Etsy.  :D


You said it before I could.  Please, Etsy sellers, be prepared for Etsy to retaliate with NO notice at all.  They have done it before and will do it again so do not join the protest unless you are prepared to be shut down permanently.  If you do feel strongly enough to join, know that you always have a home here and Andrew and I will do everything we can to help make you a success! 
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Post by: Blue Highways on April 25, 2012, 06:29:32 PM
If anyone here still has an etsy shop, here is a option, suggestion by someone...

Quote:
wildwoodflower
April 25, 2012 at 1:28 pm
I’m part of a group of Etsy sellers who are organizing a 1-day shutdown of our shops on May 1st. We’re going to deactivate all our listings, but leave the shops up with statements about resellers. So if anyone wants to join the party, there’s plenty of room…
end quote:


Where was this thread? I'd love to join them. (I download my sales & customer info weekly if there was any additions) If they shut me down they would have just sped up my exit from August when everything will have finally expired to now
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 25, 2012, 06:50:12 PM
Andrea I found it burried in regretsy...and of course...etsy shop owners be carefull...as stated by everyone already....
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 25, 2012, 06:54:51 PM
Also, unfortunately etsy has shut down some shops already who had participated in the threads about this reseller. They could hardly keep up with shutting one down and another one kept popping up...lie mushrooms...tehehee....

I find it fascinating that they are now twisting or give new meaning of their own definitions of what is handmade to fit their big "doodoo" they stepped in.
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 25, 2012, 07:50:05 PM
Do us a favor please, if you see Andrew and I getting too important for ourselves and moving away from our original mission statement which I still firmly believe in; please slap us both us side the head and remind us why we started this insanity to begin with!  :police:

This is what makes me love you guys.  I'm still hanging in there at Etsy, doing pretty well, but this past week has been disheartening, for sure.  I am so thankful that you all are here.   
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 25, 2012, 07:56:01 PM
I actually bit the bullet and bought something directly off Etsy the other night, despite the issues.  But it was a bracelet I'd been eyeing for my sis for her birthday, and it was from Among the Ruins (I'd so been hoping it was listed in the HAFshop) and we had $ in the paypal acct, so Eric said, "order NOW so we don't notice it" ... so I didn't have time to contact Kim about a side deal. 

On the plus side, one of those awesome copper bracelets is on its way here!

Aw, I wish I had known!  I hope the bracelet is good enough and your sister liked it! 
I love this place and I want to be here as a seller too.  I tried to open up shop but had a problem with the size of my pictures.  I'm pretty bad at taking on new things with technical issues so I've been very slow to try again.  :(  I will though.  Especially with things going the way they are on Etsy anymore.  It just doesn't feel the same even as it was 3 years ago. 
I sure loved seeing your smile over there Larissa!  THanks!!
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 25, 2012, 08:05:57 PM
Do us a favor please, if you see Andrew and I getting too important for ourselves and moving away from our original mission statement which I still firmly believe in; please slap us both us side the head and remind us why we started this insanity to begin with!  :police:

This is what makes me love you guys.  I'm still hanging in there at Etsy, doing pretty well, but this past week has been disheartening, for sure.  I am so thankful that you all are here.   


I would never tell you or anyone not to sell on Etsy and you know we love you dearly!  Some find great success with them and others with Artfire and others with Zibbet.  It really is a personal combined with business decision.  I am a bit bitter over the way I was treated and the way others are treated but there are some that do very well over there despite the drama.  It is just so disheartening to me to see so many sites, and B&M shops that start out on the high road and change their ways to worship the all mighty dollar; all the while crushing those that built them in the first place.
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Post by: Larissa on April 25, 2012, 08:29:41 PM
I actually bit the bullet and bought something directly off Etsy the other night, despite the issues.  But it was a bracelet I'd been eyeing for my sis for her birthday, and it was from Among the Ruins (I'd so been hoping it was listed in the HAFshop) and we had $ in the paypal acct, so Eric said, "order NOW so we don't notice it" ... so I didn't have time to contact Kim about a side deal. 

On the plus side, one of those awesome copper bracelets is on its way here!

Aw, I wish I had known!  I hope the bracelet is good enough and your sister liked it! 
I love this place and I want to be here as a seller too.  I tried to open up shop but had a problem with the size of my pictures.  I'm pretty bad at taking on new things with technical issues so I've been very slow to try again.  :(  I will though.  Especially with things going the way they are on Etsy anymore.  It just doesn't feel the same even as it was 3 years ago. 
I sure loved seeing your smile over there Larissa!  THanks!!

No worries.  :)  I absolutely love the bracelet!  My sister hasn't gotten it yet; her birthday is May 11 and I'll be giving it to her on May 6 when we go out for dinner.  I'm not worried at all, though.
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 25, 2012, 09:14:59 PM
Do us a favor please, if you see Andrew and I getting too important for ourselves and moving away from our original mission statement which I still firmly believe in; please slap us both us side the head and remind us why we started this insanity to begin with!  :police:

This is what makes me love you guys.  I'm still hanging in there at Etsy, doing pretty well, but this past week has been disheartening, for sure.  I am so thankful that you all are here.   


I would never tell you or anyone not to sell on Etsy and you know we love you dearly!  Some find great success with them and others with Artfire and others with Zibbet.  It really is a personal combined with business decision.  I am a bit bitter over the way I was treated and the way others are treated but there are some that do very well over there despite the drama.  It is just so disheartening to me to see so many sites, and B&M shops that start out on the high road and change their ways to worship the all mighty dollar; all the while crushing those that built them in the first place.

Yes, that is what is so sad about the whole thing - the almighty dollar is definitely on the throne in too many places.
I also SO appreciate that you all are not 'against' people doing business on Etsy.  I still want to be here too though.  I just haven't quite figured out how to do both. 
It just makes me sick, the way some of you here have been treated there.  It's crazy how they can shut down people like you and yet the real problems are running wild.  The love of money is the root of all evil - that's for sure.
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 25, 2012, 09:17:41 PM
Larissa - I'm SO glad you think it's up to 'snuff'!!  I always wonder about my work!  Thank you!
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Post by: Larissa on April 25, 2012, 10:07:51 PM
Thing is, no one's against legit Etsy handmade artisans & sellers.  That's the worst part of it.  They're the ones suffering at the hands of Etsy, and it's on their behalf that I'm loathe to let Etsy have my money.  I'd still totally promote and buy from Etsy artists; I'd just prefer the monster not make any money off me from now on.  Y'know?

But we can't just stop buying from y'all.  That will just hurt the little guys, not the monster.
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Post by: Larissa on April 25, 2012, 10:29:28 PM
Just look at the inconsistency in how they handle things:  http://blogs.houstonpress.com/artattack/2012/01/etsy_closes_azreals_accomplice.php
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 26, 2012, 05:40:08 AM
I agree Larissa, I mean look at me and that crazy email I got and Kim......

I will not let etsy artist's suffer because of this. I have contacted them outside of etsy and made a deal with them and bought my stuff. Most are more then willing to just send you a paypal invoice and deactivate the items they sell that way.

There is always a way to support real handmade.... :-*
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 26, 2012, 01:14:41 PM
Larissa, that is SO AWFUL what they did to that gothic artist!!  That's what so scary too - there's no notice, no chance to get what you need, nothing.  It's so arbitrary.  And who can afford to hire a lawyer in these cases?  I mean it takes everything they've got just to run their businesses.  I don't like that.  I tell myself at least my pieces most definitely do not look smooth enough to be anything but made by hands.  I hope!!
Myeuropeantouch - I don't know your name!  I read about how they questioned your artwork too.  It's shameful.  I'm glad you are here! 
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Post by: trusk4u on April 26, 2012, 02:02:54 PM
It really is sad that true artists at Etsy are feeling the pain of all this. I have one friend who has her shop there and is thinking about leaving. I did direct her in this direction, so hopefully she comes. She makes the most gorgeous, beaded cuffs as well as other pieces I've ever seen. I did buy one from her to give to my daughter and she loves it. If you ever go over there, check out a shop called Windy River and you'll see what I mean.
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Post by: Larissa on April 26, 2012, 02:19:35 PM
Teresa, those are gorgeous!

Kim, do yourself a favor & make sure you've got all your customer contacts, descriptions, tags, everything saved on your computer.  You never know, and it's a lot less trouble to cover your ass now than to try & rebuild later.
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Post by: trusk4u on April 26, 2012, 02:48:51 PM
Quote
Teresa, those are gorgeous!



Aren't they though? I love them and can't begin to imagine doing all that beading by hand. :-\
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Post by: Blue Highways on April 26, 2012, 03:01:43 PM
Her tiny embroideries (is that the plural??  :-[ ) are fantastic too!
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 26, 2012, 03:07:32 PM
Quote
Teresa, those are gorgeous!



Aren't they though? I love them and can't begin to imagine doing all that beading by hand. :-\


They are stunning!  I have done beading and can not begin to imagine putting pieces like those together!  It is artists like this that my heart aches for because so many are sticking their heads in the sand saying the Etsy's reputation does not affect them...but it does!  If you are associated with a group, whether you like it or not, their reputation rubs off on you in the minds of a buyer.  ETsy is desperately trying to sweep this under the rug by closing threads and shutting down shops, but the do not seem to understand that the information is available on the web...they are not a closed site and it is not hard to find info.  Every closed thread and shop is another dent in their image and eventually it will catch up to them.
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Post by: Blue Highways on April 26, 2012, 03:22:41 PM
Quote
so many are sticking their heads in the sand saying the Etsy's reputation does not affect them...but it does!  If you are associated with a group, whether you like it or not, their reputation rubs off on you in the minds of a buyer.


My point exactly here:
https://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10199058/page/116


The thread that I cannot believe is still open after 123 pages. I didn't post the HAF link in the open forum in case I was the reason for it getting shut down for posting an external link - not ready to battle the villagers armed with pitchforks and torches
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 26, 2012, 04:00:14 PM
Larissa, that is SO AWFUL what they did to that gothic artist!!  That's what so scary too - there's no notice, no chance to get what you need, nothing.  It's so arbitrary.  And who can afford to hire a lawyer in these cases?  I mean it takes everything they've got just to run their businesses.  I don't like that.  I tell myself at least my pieces most definitely do not look smooth enough to be anything but made by hands.  I hope!!
Myeuropeantouch - I don't know your name!  I read about how they questioned your artwork too.  It's shameful.  I'm glad you are here!

Thank you dear heart, my name is Monika, I proofed everything and complied, but I also made enough stink for them, including writing to the top gun Alan whats his name, they could not afford to keep me any longer...hahahahhaaaaa, they closed my shop for no darn other reason. Thats the answer for them, make the seller shut up, by closing their shops and its still going on.
I am GLAD I am here....(smile)
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 26, 2012, 04:05:29 PM
Teresa, those are gorgeous!

Kim, do yourself a favor & make sure you've got all your customer contacts, descriptions, tags, everything saved on your computer.  You never know, and it's a lot less trouble to cover your ass now than to try & rebuild later.

I second that motion Kim, because I was not able too, they just did it, bam, all gone, I mean everything. I had to threaten them with the IRS if they dont get me access to my sales. And thats all they did 24 hour access to the sales, not any client names, FB, nothing....
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 26, 2012, 04:19:06 PM
Look here, the writing was on the wall in October of last year, this interview about resellers, ehem..... I mean "collectives"......LOL

http://online.wsj.com/video/E6BDB64E-B496-4330-9FC9-063F5E6D32EE.html
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 26, 2012, 05:10:46 PM
Monika!!  So good to meet you!  :)
Wow, that video is very telling.  I will back up all my info - it's very sound advice. 
It is true that everything Etsy is doing is going to reflect on their reputation and that will definitely affect everyone there. 
Man, I'm shocked that they did that to you Monika.  It should be illegal!!
I don't say much in the forums on etsy.  It even makes me a little nervous to post here, just because i'm used to holding my tongue in forums!!  LOL
 
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 26, 2012, 05:17:20 PM
Just went to see WindyRiver - gorgeous!!!
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Post by: chainmaille on April 26, 2012, 06:54:23 PM
Thanks for all the comments posted on the blog a  couple of pages ago. This latest Etsy mess is a disaster for them. I almost feel sad for them, as they are embarrassing themselves. But I will limit my comments and take the high road.
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Post by: chainmaille on April 26, 2012, 07:01:27 PM
Here is another thread about us http://www.etsy.com/teams/7722/business-topics/discuss/10201978/
I guess Etsy sellers are getting tired. Well if you all want to jump in there I'm not going to stop you :D
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Post by: Larissa on April 26, 2012, 07:04:20 PM
Holy crow, that video!

And I know it's not relevant to the discussion, but WTH is with that godawful wallpaper behind him?
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 26, 2012, 07:23:00 PM
Yeah - and the owl lamp and the afghan that my grandma made - in the 70's!!!  LOL
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 26, 2012, 07:23:30 PM
Here is another thread about us http://www.etsy.com/teams/7722/business-topics/discuss/10201978/
I guess Etsy sellers are getting tired. Well if you all want to jump in there I'm not going to stop you :D


Going to read :)
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Post by: Larissa on April 26, 2012, 07:25:20 PM
You know, according to this:  http://inventors.about.com/od/cstartinventions/a/coca_cola.htm

"In May, 1886, Coca Cola was invented by Doctor John Pemberton a pharmacist from Atlanta, Georgia. John Pemberton concocted the Coca Cola formula in a three legged brass kettle in his backyard."

So is Coke still "handmade" by Etsy's current standards of "collective"?
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 26, 2012, 08:00:12 PM
Oh dang, I meant to say that, hes got owls in the video, remember the owl treasury....hahahahaha.....those are just the ugliest things I have ever seen, unless he likes retro decor....

Just got home and tired....
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Post by: Larissa on April 26, 2012, 08:04:04 PM
Yeah, his stuff is pretty hideous.  I was afraid to say it in case anyone here liked it.
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 26, 2012, 10:17:02 PM
I'm not sure if the 70's earth tones and all the ugliness that went with it has come around to being "retro cool" - sheesh I hope not! 
Sure, the Coke should be eligible!!  I'm sure they'd love a cut of that business.
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Post by: Uniqlets on April 26, 2012, 10:36:06 PM
The 70's are not just retro, they are "vintage" and collectible now.  It makes me feel like I'm 1000 years old.
I'm not sure if the 70's earth tones and all the ugliness that went with it has come around to being "retro cool" - sheesh I hope not! 
Sure, the Coke should be eligible!!  I'm sure they'd love a cut of that business.
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 27, 2012, 02:04:21 AM
Yeah, you're right.  We're practically dinosaurs!!  LOL
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Post by: Larissa on April 27, 2012, 02:41:01 AM
I just got done half reading/half skimming this 135-page fiasco:  http://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10199058/page/135/?post_id=125372720#

Started by Etsy admin & 135 pages later, they only came back ONCE, not to answer any questions sellers have asked, but to say, "Don't be negative."  WTF?
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 27, 2012, 05:02:57 AM
Pretty soon you can buy your handmade sausage there, manufactured in china....by people named ning, pink, yeng, mong and tsing.....make sure you list these person in your shop announcement....d'uhhh...What???!!!!

Did I not always say, here comes another "feebay".....it's coming, and it will get worth before its over....
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 27, 2012, 06:25:33 AM
Just searched for "collective" shops on etsy, there are quite a few....they snug them in there very quietly......father in law makes thing, daughter is the seller of handmade...you name it its all there...
They just made the mistake of featuring one of them, changing their original meaning of handmade and all hell broke loose.....

"etsyBay" here we come....
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Post by: trusk4u on April 27, 2012, 08:04:31 AM
 :-[ Oh, oh, maybe I am a "collective" shop! I have my things but I also have some of my husbands listed too.   :o Shock! Horror!  :laugh:
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 27, 2012, 08:26:21 AM
:-[ Oh, oh, maybe I am a "collective" shop! I have my things but I also have some of my husbands listed too.   :o Shock! Horror!  :laugh:


What is sad is you will be the type of shop that gets shut down like that women who's mother sewed for her and the big boys that can afford to farm out work overseas will get to stay.  Sorry, but this train wreck is really hard to turn away from.
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Post by: Larissa on April 27, 2012, 08:32:49 AM
Glad E & I never tried an Etsy shop for Reef Botanicals.  They'd shut us down out of sheer confusion...

Eric is R&D on the soap, salts, & mud mask, I'm R&D on the scrubs & lip balms.  I make the scrubs & lip balms.  The salts & mud mask we've made together.  The soap we've made so "together" that we take turns stirring the molten soap in the crock pot.  We alternate setting up the photograph shots, I take them, and he edits them.  I mostly do the dishes for this stuff, since my hands can handle hotter water than his, but he's the one who lugs the huge buckets of coconut & palm oils up from the basement.  I'm the marketing, though we've done the craft shows together.  Oh - and once our friend Kerry came and helped out when we needed to do 5 batches of soap in one day.  And she's helped at our craft shows too.

Etsy's virtual head would explode over our scenario!
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 27, 2012, 08:47:38 AM
Glad E & I never tried an Etsy shop for Reef Botanicals.  They'd shut us down out of sheer confusion...

Eric is R&D on the soap, salts, & mud mask, I'm R&D on the scrubs & lip balms.  I make the scrubs & lip balms.  The salts & mud mask we've made together.  The soap we've made so "together" that we take turns stirring the molten soap in the crock pot.  We alternate setting up the photograph shots, I take them, and he edits them.  I mostly do the dishes for this stuff, since my hands can handle hotter water than his, but he's the one who lugs the huge buckets of coconut & palm oils up from the basement.  I'm the marketing, though we've done the craft shows together.  Oh - and once our friend Kerry came and helped out when we needed to do 5 batches of soap in one day.  And she's helped at our craft shows too.

Etsy's virtual head would explode over our scenario!


Only have to laugh because you should see our set up here...looks a lot like yours!  Of course different products but same concept of both of us have our jobs and a lot of them overlap.  To top it off, our kids have done shows with us and Spencer has made some of the aluminum byzantine chains as well as helped with packing and shipping.  Between both businesses it is semi-understandable chaos; but it works!
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 27, 2012, 09:32:11 AM
I am laughing so hard....it very literally made me snarf my cocoa up my nose, hang on ....tissue.....more tissue......that was yucky........LOL

Handmade has been re-defined and you are all gangsters and need to be shut down.... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 

(but I do love you gangsters, really :-*)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: RiverRockArts on April 27, 2012, 12:15:29 PM
I agree Larissa, I mean look at me and that crazy email I got and Kim......

I will not let etsy artist's suffer because of this. I have contacted them outside of etsy and made a deal with them and bought my stuff. Most are more then willing to just send you a paypal invoice and deactivate the items they sell that way.

There is always a way to support real handmade.... :-*

Good idea.  I would prefer buyers buy from my shop here, but there is no way to tell Etsy customers about it with Etsy's rule about no outside links.  Even though I promote this shop, they still buy from my shop on Etsy.  I need as much exposure as I can get now, so I can't just leave Etsy when I get sales there.  I had an idea about putting my shop link here on invoices I sent to the Etsy customers, but they would have to be repeat customers to make that work.  What do you think?
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Post by: Blue Highways on April 27, 2012, 12:24:37 PM
I agree Larissa, I mean look at me and that crazy email I got and Kim......

I will not let etsy artist's suffer because of this. I have contacted them outside of etsy and made a deal with them and bought my stuff. Most are more then willing to just send you a paypal invoice and deactivate the items they sell that way.

There is always a way to support real handmade.... :-*

Good idea.  I would prefer buyers buy from my shop here, but there is no way to tell Etsy customers about it with Etsy's rule about no outside links.  Even though I promote this shop, they still buy from my shop on Etsy.  I need as much exposure as I can get now, so I can't just leave Etsy when I get sales there.  I had an idea about putting my shop link here on invoices I sent to the Etsy customers, but they would have to be repeat customers to make that work.  What do you think?


Absolutely! Anything going out whether it be an email, invoice, business card etc should have your HAF link on it. I have business cards just with my Etsy shop addy on it but I'll put my shops link from here on the back with a small coupon code good only at the shop here (I recommend putting an expiry date on it)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: RiverRockArts on April 27, 2012, 12:38:44 PM
I don't have business cards, but I might try to make something to insert in the packages.  Good idea about the e-mail too.  I could put my links as a signature in the e-mails.  Thanks for that idea too.  I have not given coupons...I need sales, but I can't afford to lose more money.
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Post by: trusk4u on April 27, 2012, 01:04:06 PM
RiverRockArts, we all completely understand your situation. I think what was said about including your link here wherever you can without getting into trouble is a good idea. As for me, my sales had tanked at Etsy long before I cleared out the shop. Yeah, it's hard not having the sales, but I have to persevere and eventually it will come. I do sell pretty well at my store, so that is some comfort.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on April 27, 2012, 01:22:36 PM
I don't have business cards, but I might try to make something to insert in the packages.  Good idea about the e-mail too.  I could put my links as a signature in the e-mails.  Thanks for that idea too.  I have not given coupons...I need sales, but I can't afford to lose more money.


Please understand we DO NOT want anyone to lose money!  Our goal is not to be the end all be all and understand that most of our vendors have other shops on other venues and some of them are very successful.  This is why I stress do not post in the threads that get ugly unless you are really ready to jump ship...or be forced to walk the plank by Etsy admin  :police: .  Any facebook, twitter, etc promotion or including your HAF address on a card with current orders will be seen by customers without breaking rules.  When I was selling on Ebay 100 years ago I used to include a card with my personal website on it with all ebay orders and I did get repeat buyers.  I thought of it as advertising when an ebay auction wouldn't go as high as I wanted it to and it was a way to advertise without breaking rules.


Andrew and I love you guys and often talk about various people like we really know you.  We want you to be a success in your businesses and really want to help, not hurt which is why we encourage you to put up links in your signature to whichever venue you chose to sell at.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 27, 2012, 01:39:23 PM
I just came off of reading Etsy's Chad's statement - non statement really.  I had to come here to get my head screwed back on again.  lol
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on April 27, 2012, 01:41:15 PM
Edited.
I saw his "note" You ever watch the cartoon "Peanuts"? The teachers voice is just "waa waa waaa waaa". That's pretty much all I read there. SSDD
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 27, 2012, 01:55:58 PM
I just had new business cards printed, River...Vista Print has them for free, you just pay shipping.
I have also included as much as I can about both of my shops on eveything I can think of. Need to re-do my signature here...
Giving coupons does work wonders too, when you include them in your shipped item.

All very great ideas..... :D

Mr. CEO Chad basically said in about 500 plus words....nothing.....
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Post by: trusk4u on April 27, 2012, 02:30:32 PM
I read it too and shared it on Twitter. I went through the forum for a bit too. There a lot of very unhappy people there. I commented in a couple of threads, left a link to HAF when appropriate. I was good, no snarky remarks. I so agree with Andrea, wa wa wa!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on April 27, 2012, 02:45:54 PM
I just had new business cards printed, River...Vista Print has them for free, you just pay shipping.
I have also included as much as I can about both of my shops on eveything I can think of. Need to re-do my signature here...
Giving coupons does work wonders too, when you include them in your shipped item.

All very great ideas..... :D

Mr. CEO Chad basically said in about 500 plus words....nothing.....

Where's his new comment?
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on April 27, 2012, 03:03:08 PM
http://www.etsy.com/blog/news/2012/notes-from-chad-6/ (http://www.etsy.com/blog/news/2012/notes-from-chad-6/)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on April 27, 2012, 03:20:12 PM
http://www.etsy.com/blog/news/2012/notes-from-chad-6/ (http://www.etsy.com/blog/news/2012/notes-from-chad-6/)

Thanks.  This is what you call "blowing smoke up someone's ass," which is what he's doing to the entire Etsy community.  Bullpoop he needs to keep his methods secret.  Bullpoop he can't tell you what he looks for in an investigation.  Law enforcement doesn't need to do that, so why would he?  God knows, what cops do is a lot more important than what he does.

And if he investigates and treats every "flagged" shop or item equally, then why did Monika's shop get shut down pending investigation & the featured shop didn't?  I'll tell you why.  Monika (1) is too small to fight them, whereas the commercial shop would kick Etsy's ass if they got summarily shut down, and (2) wasn't a featured shop & therefore in a position to embarrass Etsy the way this commercial shop is.

I reiterate:  Bullpoop.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on April 27, 2012, 03:20:47 PM
And I find the auto-editing of my curses to be hilarious!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on April 27, 2012, 03:36:23 PM
And I thought I was good at talking in circles!  He is the king of it!


Bottom line is that, in my opinion, Etsy has no desire to change back to their original mission of working with small time artists and giving them a home to sell where other people that love handmade by the artist can form a relationship and buy from them.  Instead the sellers are getting bigger and it is a short leap to see some really big companies joining up as "collectives." 


and Larissa...the autocorrect on your post really cracked me up!

Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on April 27, 2012, 03:51:15 PM
Ahahahaha! I didn't know it auto corrected naughty words...ooooh weee that's funny

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Post by: Larissa on April 27, 2012, 04:09:13 PM
I actually thought I mistyped for a second there!
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Post by: chainmaille on April 27, 2012, 05:37:53 PM
And I find the auto-editing of my curses to be hilarious!

Unfortunately as admin of the site, we have to keep a firm grasp on the bullpoop that is posted by our members.  >:)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on April 27, 2012, 05:51:53 PM
And I find the auto-editing of my curses to be hilarious!

Unfortunately as admin of the site, we have to keep a firm grasp on the bulldung that is posted by our members.  >:)

Don't you mean bullshoot?  :P
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: chainmaille on April 27, 2012, 05:54:57 PM
Look at your original post. I changed s**t to dung LOL
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Post by: Larissa on April 27, 2012, 06:05:45 PM
Oh, you're such a dork.
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Post by: chainmaille on April 27, 2012, 06:48:43 PM
Is POOP less dorky Miss Intelligent?  >:)
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Post by: Larissa on April 27, 2012, 07:31:27 PM
Not if it comes from you!

But you almost made me spit my coffee.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on April 27, 2012, 08:21:46 PM
You two are starting to sound like an old married couple! :laugh:

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Post by: Larissa on April 27, 2012, 08:36:20 PM
I feel like I know you guys long enough!
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Post by: RiverRockArts on April 27, 2012, 08:40:16 PM
RiverRockArts, we all completely understand your situation. I think what was said about including your link here wherever you can without getting into trouble is a good idea. As for me, my sales had tanked at Etsy long before I cleared out the shop. Yeah, it's hard not having the sales, but I have to persevere and eventually it will come. I do sell pretty well at my store, so that is some comfort.

I plan on including my link in all my e-mails to customers and on the invoice when I have a sale now.  There's more than one way to get around the Etsy rule. :)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: RiverRockArts on April 27, 2012, 08:47:31 PM
I don't have business cards, but I might try to make something to insert in the packages.  Good idea about the e-mail too.  I could put my links as a signature in the e-mails.  Thanks for that idea too.  I have not given coupons...I need sales, but I can't afford to lose more money.


Please understand we DO NOT want anyone to lose money!  Our goal is not to be the end all be all and understand that most of our vendors have other shops on other venues and some of them are very successful.  This is why I stress do not post in the threads that get ugly unless you are really ready to jump ship...or be forced to walk the plank by Etsy admin  :police: .  Any facebook, twitter, etc promotion or including your HAF address on a card with current orders will be seen by customers without breaking rules.  When I was selling on Ebay 100 years ago I used to include a card with my personal website on it with all ebay orders and I did get repeat buyers.  I thought of it as advertising when an ebay auction wouldn't go as high as I wanted it to and it was a way to advertise without breaking rules.


Andrew and I love you guys and often talk about various people like we really know you.  We want you to be a success in your businesses and really want to help, not hurt which is why we encourage you to put up links in your signature to whichever venue you chose to sell at.

I realize that you want us all to do well, but maybe it just takes longer for some of us to get things off the ground and get people to notice us.  I plan on including my link here on invoices to Etsy customers and also in all my e-mails to them.  There's nothing Etsy can say about that.   I like this site better than Etsy, so I want to get sales here instead of there, and maybe with including my links here to customers who buy there, it might help to get them to come here instead of Etsy.  I think some people just don't know about other sites, and anything we can do to educate them is good. 
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 27, 2012, 10:34:36 PM
Oh....I missed a very entertaining evening, didnt I...darn BullDung.....hope I got this right.....Bahaaaaahahahahahahha....

y'all made me crack up. Hey, I did not wanted to post yet another link here from Mr. CEO I had posted so many already, glad someone else did.

I just got home from a Symphony Concert called Circ de la Symphony.....OMG it was awesome, if you have ever heard of Circ de soleil Orlando, FL , we had some of these here performing to the the Symphony playing some famous classical pieces....
Uhhheeee.... it was just something else, I treated myself to a ticket.

Never mind, I am derailing this chat....see ya in the morn....my lovelies...
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: FischerFineArts on April 27, 2012, 11:30:05 PM
I saw his "note" You ever watch the cartoon "Peanuts"? The teachers voice is just "waa waa waaa waaa". That's pretty much all I read there. SSDD

Laughing my tush off! Yep, that's what it sounded like to me, too. I've been spending WAAAY too much time just quietly reading what's going on and keeping my mouth shut. I'm afraid if I did tell them exactly what's on my mind, my shop would go 'poof' in a heartbeat...and I've caught some rumors here and there that some shops may have been closed down for speaking out too 'negatively'? I don't know if that is true or not, but I don't care to test the waters on that. I half expect to wake up and find my shop there gone any day now, since I am a collective over there (selling my daughter's art as well as my own) and being a collective isn't the most popular thing right now.

It seems they are re-defining their definitions of 'handmade' and 'collective' and can't give anyone a straight answer to that.  I don't care one way or another what they decide to do as it's their business. But this is my business and I had already seen enough to know that it just wasn't really the right venue for me.  What has transpired over there this past week just makes me want to get things moved over here a bit quicker.

Andrew, we need a "flip off" emoticon! ;-) It'd be nice to show Chad my feelings right now.

Kim and Andrew, I am really glad you guys understand about having different venues in which to sell. Each of them can have a different market. Being able to cross-market each is great. Now, where the hell is my "thumbs up" emoticon?!
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 27, 2012, 11:46:20 PM
Edited.
I saw his "note" You ever watch the cartoon "Peanuts"? The teachers voice is just "waa waa waaa waaa". That's pretty much all I read there. SSDD

Yes!!  LOL!!
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 27, 2012, 11:51:25 PM
I do believe it is possible for bulls to shoot poop...quite forcefully.  ;)
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 28, 2012, 06:50:41 AM
I do believe it is possible for bulls to shoot poop...quite forcefully.  ;)


I AM WAKING UP AND HAVING BREAKFAST TO THIS.....(GROAN)......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
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Post by: Dee38753 on April 28, 2012, 06:56:17 AM
I do believe it is possible for bulls to shoot poop...quite forcefully.  ;)

This made me spew coffee all over my monitor!!!!! :o :o
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Post by: trusk4u on April 28, 2012, 10:43:06 AM
WOw, this is just getting funnier by the minute! :laugh:

I've been poking around in the forums keeping an eye on things.
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 28, 2012, 10:46:21 AM
heehee - sorry!!  I grew up on a farm - what can I say?   ;D
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Post by: CrochetHooked on April 28, 2012, 11:25:52 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  LOL   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: chainmaille on April 28, 2012, 02:52:21 PM
Just had to boot a reseller from here. No fun. But we have to maintain integrity.  :police:
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Post by: Larissa on April 28, 2012, 05:42:02 PM
Just had to boot a reseller from here. No fun. But we have to maintain integrity.  :police:

Good.
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Post by: CrochetHooked on April 28, 2012, 07:23:00 PM
You Get ’em Tiger


WTG Andrew… I bet it’s tough to give the boot… to a reseller!  My question is… didn’t they read the Mission Page, or they did and chose to ignore Handmade only!  GEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Thank goodness you are here watching over us…  :evil:  Now that’s a scary thought!  LOL

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Post by: chainmaille on April 28, 2012, 07:41:38 PM
Believe it or not it is tough. We need the vendors to grow, every new one is a small victory for us. But we need the right ones, not resellers. Kimberly and I spotted it this morning, but one of our lovely sellers sent us a link to where she is buying from. Twenty pair of  Earrings for $24, then resell them for 8 bucks a pop. Not a bad deal, sounds like almost 800% profit to me. Anyway we need to all be vigilant and watch over the site together. As things keep growing, and they are, it will be tougher to do this. Just remember every item can be reported right from the product. And everyone knows how to get a hold of us.
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Post by: CrochetHooked on April 28, 2012, 11:50:16 PM
Exactly!  I was trying to make light of a serious subject… Probably not the right time… I apologize. You and Kimberly work very hard to build this place for us! Thank You!   8)
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 29, 2012, 05:30:05 AM
Just and FYI....please do no take this as an invite....

http://www.protesty.com/
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Post by: FischerFineArts on April 29, 2012, 07:42:29 AM
Just and FYI....please do no take this as an invite....

http://www.protesty.com/

I saw that. On Friday, there were only 84 shops signed up. The list is growing by leaps and bounds!

Also, people are changing their avatar pics to show their hands to represent handmade:

http://www.etsy.com/teams/7722/business-topics/discuss/10212875/page/1/

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Post by: Blue Highways on April 29, 2012, 08:31:30 AM
Just and FYI....please do no take this as an invite....

http://www.protesty.com/ (http://www.protesty.com/)


Oh I did. And I'm in! There are hundreds possibly thousands (I saw the number at 3000?) signed up now. My hands avatar will be up this afternoon too. Not sure if this will do any good but I'm always up for a peaceful protest  ^-^
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 29, 2012, 08:39:04 AM
Just and FYI....please do no take this as an invite....

http://www.protesty.com/ (http://www.protesty.com/)


Oh I did. And I'm in! There are hundreds possibly thousands (?) signed up now. My hands avatar will be up this afternoon too. Not sure if this will do any good but I'm always up for a peaceful protest  ^-^


Don't know how much good it will do on Etsy, but it will make a statement in general that handmade can stand together and that the Etsy sellers demand respect from their admin.  Heck, I think most would be happy if they would just lay out the rules and follow them equally with all sellers!  Artfire has now welcomed resellers with their own section and while many were not happy, at least it is not brushed under the rug and hidden.  I don't think Etsy understands that integrity means something in this industry and they are really messing up by playing games.
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 29, 2012, 10:18:56 AM
Just had to boot a reseller from here. No fun. But we have to maintain integrity.  :police:

You Da Man Andrew!!   ^-^
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Post by: FischerFineArts on April 29, 2012, 10:41:40 AM
I agree completely, Kim. I don't see it really having an impact on Etsy--they will continue to do what they want and how they want. However, there are some good things that are coming to light out of it. I love seeing the support artists of all sorts are giving one another, I love seeing that even customers only as well as vintage sellers and suppliers also showing their support.  I love that the whole debacle has brought to light an issue that has been going on for sometime and is now gaining attention in a more public way from blog posts, Regretsy, online media and even TV news!

If Etsy wants to take the route that Artfire has and openly allow resellers, fine, I have no issue with that. What I take issue with is the dishonesty and misrepresentation and their efforts to squelch any dissent, changing rules and definitions on the fly without any further clarifications.

The type of items I create are not really something that someone would necessarily search for specifically. Quite often, someone may think to themselves, "I want to find a piece of artwork to hang in my livingroom." Are they going to then type in "mosaics" to find that item? Probably not. If they search through "wall art", they may then stumble upon some of my artwork and say, "Wow! That would be so unique and cool to have in my livingroom!" This is what I call a 'fortuitous find'. They don't know that they would want my products until they actually stumble across it.

So when a site like Etsy or Artfire allows resellers and factory-made goods, I am totally lost in the hundreds of thousands of items. The odds of creating a 'fortuitous find' are greatly diminished. This is why I feel that sites like yours are VERY important and a lot of why I have chosen to be here and market your site now as my primary venue. I won't be lost here, I know that you and Andrew listen to ideas and suggestions. I know that you both, as well as all the other artists DO care, support one another, help promote one another and do so in a very open and honest way!

I love you guys!  :-*
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Post by: Larissa on April 29, 2012, 11:02:36 AM
I feel that way too:  Do what you want.  Just don't lie to me.
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Post by: Dee38753 on April 29, 2012, 01:28:46 PM
I feel that way too:  Do what you want.  Just don't lie to me.

Well...I haven't had anything to say about this fiasco that Etsy seems to have gotten them selves into....because I'm not over there....

But I have to agree with this sentiment....do what you want (you are anyway)....just don't lie about it!!
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Post by: RiverRockArts on April 29, 2012, 05:56:12 PM
As far as booting resellers off this site, I think in the long run it will make this site stand out above those like Etsy and Artfire who allow them in.  It may mean that the shops protesting Etsy could come here too.  That would be a positive outcome.  Also, Artfire may have made a separate category for resellers, but that does not mean they won't sneak in the handmade category...some who still sell there have found many of those. 

As for the Etsy protesters, I think Etsy will just shut their shops down with no warning like they have done before. 
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 29, 2012, 06:17:58 PM
As far as booting resellers off this site, I think in the long run it will make this site stand out above those like Etsy and Artfire who allow them in.  It may mean that the shops protesting Etsy could come here too.  That would be a positive outcome.  Also, Artfire may have made a separate category for resellers, but that does not mean they won't sneak in the handmade category...some who still sell there have found many of those. 

As for the Etsy protesters, I think Etsy will just shut their shops down with no warning like they have done before.


I hope you are right about setting us apart.  I know in the beginning both Etsy and Artfire were insistent that resellers would stay out so I wonder if people are much more cynical about our insistence because of past bad experience.  All we can do is stand by our mission statement and our rules and create the best market we can.


As far as those in the protest, I have no doubt that some will be shut down but there are so many joining now that there is no way that they can shut them all down without raising a hell of a stink.  I don't think they are that dumb.  They will wait and watch for ANY small infraction from any of the shops and use that as the excuse to shut them down.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 29, 2012, 06:53:02 PM
Amen, Sista Kim.....LOL

Good Heavens there are 1000's....... :o
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 29, 2012, 07:11:26 PM
Amen, Sista Kim.....LOL

Good Heavens there are 1000's....... :o


I read that they are over 3000 now!  I would love to see enough to really put a dent in Etsy pockets for one day and maybe that would make them take notice.
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Post by: Blue Highways on April 29, 2012, 08:38:43 PM
Over 3100 in 2 days - there are 11 days yet. I LOVE it!
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 30, 2012, 05:14:36 AM
Good for them, I found that just some of the buyer's only accounts joined them out of solidarity......thats awesome....
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 30, 2012, 05:58:38 AM
Good for them, I found that just some of the buyer's only accounts joined them out of solidarity......thats awesome....


A number of posts on the Etsy forum say that buyers really don't care about totally handmade as long as they like the item...I think that buyers joining up are showing a different story!  Buyers do care and they are showing it!  Don't they understand that it is the buyers love of handmade that has been a big part of keeping them going for this long?  If a buyer didn't care they would buy a journal from WalMart instead of BlueHighways and save a bunch of money...but they want handmade by the artist with all the love that goes into each piece.


Steps down off my soapbox now.... :-[
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Post by: Larissa on April 30, 2012, 08:06:41 AM
It's true. 

And if this site is going to maintain its dedication to handmade, as we've all been telling everyone, the resellers MUST be booted from the shop, much as it hurts to lose the numbers.  It'd hurt a lot more to lose the integrity of the place and the actual artisans looking for a good place to set up shop.
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Post by: Dragonclaw on April 30, 2012, 10:51:46 AM
Well said Larissa!
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 30, 2012, 11:35:47 AM
It's true. 

And if this site is going to maintain its dedication to handmade, as we've all been telling everyone, the resellers MUST be booted from the shop, much as it hurts to lose the numbers.  It'd hurt a lot more to lose the integrity of the place and the actual artisans looking for a good place to set up shop.


This is the plan, and if you run into any of them on shop please tell us along with any info/links that you have.  As Andrew said, we have booted a few with no problems but my knowledge about many arts is limited and we can't always spot them especially as the site grows.  I know this sounds Etsy-ish but Andrew and I don't have a team of 20 people dedicated to spotting those breaking the rules so we can use the help to keep our site the one true handmade site that makes it work!
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Post by: Larissa on April 30, 2012, 11:39:55 AM
It's true. 

And if this site is going to maintain its dedication to handmade, as we've all been telling everyone, the resellers MUST be booted from the shop, much as it hurts to lose the numbers.  It'd hurt a lot more to lose the integrity of the place and the actual artisans looking for a good place to set up shop.


This is the plan, and if you run into any of them on shop please tell us along with any info/links that you have.  As Andrew said, we have booted a few with no problems but my knowledge about many arts is limited and we can't always spot them especially as the site grows.  I know this sounds Etsy-ish but Andrew and I don't have a team of 20 people dedicated to spotting those breaking the rules so we can use the help to keep our site the one true handmade site that makes it work!

It doesn't sound Etsy-ish.  There's nothing wrong with asking for help (you or them, for that matter).  What they do wrong is either ignoring the concerns, blowing smoke about them, failing to enforce their own rules, or enforcing them inequitably. 

That is where you guys won't go wrong.  You'll be true to your commitment to handmade, with clear rules and fair enforcement thereof.
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 30, 2012, 12:19:10 PM
It's true. 

And if this site is going to maintain its dedication to handmade, as we've all been telling everyone, the resellers MUST be booted from the shop, much as it hurts to lose the numbers.  It'd hurt a lot more to lose the integrity of the place and the actual artisans looking for a good place to set up shop.


This is the plan, and if you run into any of them on shop please tell us along with any info/links that you have.  As Andrew said, we have booted a few with no problems but my knowledge about many arts is limited and we can't always spot them especially as the site grows.  I know this sounds Etsy-ish but Andrew and I don't have a team of 20 people dedicated to spotting those breaking the rules so we can use the help to keep our site the one true handmade site that makes it work!

It doesn't sound Etsy-ish.  There's nothing wrong with asking for help (you or them, for that matter).  What they do wrong is either ignoring the concerns, blowing smoke about them, failing to enforce their own rules, or enforcing them inequitably. 

That is where you guys won't go wrong.  You'll be true to your commitment to handmade, with clear rules and fair enforcement thereof.

Hear hear!
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Post by: Dee38753 on April 30, 2012, 12:20:26 PM
It's true. 

And if this site is going to maintain its dedication to handmade, as we've all been telling everyone, the resellers MUST be booted from the shop, much as it hurts to lose the numbers.  It'd hurt a lot more to lose the integrity of the place and the actual artisans looking for a good place to set up shop.


This is the plan, and if you run into any of them on shop please tell us along with any info/links that you have.  As Andrew said, we have booted a few with no problems but my knowledge about many arts is limited and we can't always spot them especially as the site grows.  I know this sounds Etsy-ish but Andrew and I don't have a team of 20 people dedicated to spotting those breaking the rules so we can use the help to keep our site the one true handmade site that makes it work!

It doesn't sound Etsy-ish.  There's nothing wrong with asking for help (you or them, for that matter).  What they do wrong is either ignoring the concerns, blowing smoke about them, failing to enforce their own rules, or enforcing them inequitably. 

That is where you guys won't go wrong.  You'll be true to your commitment to handmade, with clear rules and fair enforcement thereof.

Hear hear!

LOL....That is exactly what I was thinking as I read it!!! Great minds think alike!!!
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 30, 2012, 01:32:42 PM
They really do!!   ;D
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on April 30, 2012, 04:08:07 PM
That was a very good "lawyerly" statement.....LOL
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Post by: MakinTheBest on April 30, 2012, 04:25:24 PM
You know they are in deep trouble when the NBC picks it up and calls them out for not following their own rules.  http://www.cnbc.com/id/47231808 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/47231808)
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on April 30, 2012, 10:46:41 PM
WHOA!!!!  I'm going to see now!
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 01, 2012, 05:50:54 AM
Have mercy....looking.... :o
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 01, 2012, 07:31:43 AM
Look at this one....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41698614@N04/6985408074/in/photostream
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on May 01, 2012, 09:02:49 AM
Look at this one....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41698614@N04/6985408074/in/photostream

Wow, that is really something.  Quite moving!
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Post by: Blue Highways on May 01, 2012, 12:46:55 PM
Etsy has purchased Trunkt. Interesting.  The plot thickens...or should I say to poo deepens? http://finance.sfgate.com/hearst.sfgate/news/read?GUID=21220480 (http://finance.sfgate.com/hearst.sfgate/news/read?GUID=21220480)
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Post by: chainmaille on May 01, 2012, 01:01:12 PM
Um ok? Trunkdtsy  :laugh:

Whatever
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Post by: MakinTheBest on May 01, 2012, 01:02:44 PM
Etsy has purchased Trunkt. Interesting.  The plot thickens...or should I say to poo deepens? http://finance.sfgate.com/hearst.sfgate/news/read?GUID=21220480 (http://finance.sfgate.com/hearst.sfgate/news/read?GUID=21220480)


I remember getting rejected by Trunkt...maybe I should reapply! I am betting the guidelines won't be nearly so strict now.  :laugh:
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 01, 2012, 02:57:03 PM
I told you so...."feebay" antics are coming along nicely..... ??? :-\ :evil:
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Post by: AmongTheRuins on May 01, 2012, 06:14:04 PM
Mama mia!
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 01, 2012, 06:30:43 PM
PAPA ROMA...!!!!!!
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Post by: Larissa on May 01, 2012, 07:18:40 PM
Oy vey!!!
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 01, 2012, 07:32:28 PM
Hahahahhahahaaaa.......
I better get offfffffff this puter.....LOL
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 02, 2012, 05:35:06 PM
Ohhhh it gets better.....this made think of all the prostesters who will close their shops for 24 hours.....they are going to be in big trouble according to this inciident...

A perceived violation????????

http://nicolehannajewelry.blogspot.ca/2012/04/hands-of-handcrafted-and-how-i-was.html?showComment=1335758001357
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Post by: Blue Highways on May 02, 2012, 05:44:53 PM
I personally don't give a rip. My first item has expired and will remain so in my Etsy shop, I now have 7 items selling exclusively here, and I cannot wait to see what happens on the 10th - how do you reckon they'll go about closing 4000 of us down that day? *snicker*
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Post by: MakinTheBest on May 02, 2012, 05:47:57 PM
I personally don't give a rip. My first item has expired and will remain so in my Etsy shop, I now have 7 items selling exclusively here, and I cannot wait to see what happens on the 10th - how do you reckon they'll go about closing 4000 of us down that day? *snicker*


The scary thing is they might just do that!  I don't get it and then you add in the wedding fiasco over there and there are still people defending them!  Please explain this to me.  I'm not saying that everyone should move here (heck if they did on mass they would crash us the same way that CraftStar crashed today) but how can anyone defend Etsy after all this?  I'm going to just walk away confused as ever.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 02, 2012, 05:53:18 PM
I personally don't give a rip. My first item has expired and will remain so in my Etsy shop, I now have 7 items selling exclusively here, and I cannot wait to see what happens on the 10th - how do you reckon they'll go about closing 4000 of us down that day? *snicker*

In the still of the night....(wasnt that a song, LOL).....just like they did the night shift closing all the threads down....I really do not care either....
I think they are getting paranoid....
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Post by: MakinTheBest on May 02, 2012, 05:56:09 PM
Post our support of her on her blog, well her and all the handmade artists that are getting screwed.  Really upsetting considering how hard it is to make it in this business and those that claimed to want to support you can rip the rug right out from under you without a thought.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 02, 2012, 06:07:36 PM
You know if I remember correctly *bay started out pure handmade, see what happened when the green talks....I was there.....yep....
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Post by: Blue Highways on May 02, 2012, 06:12:40 PM
Really upsetting considering how hard it is to make it in this business and those that claimed to want to support you can rip the rug right out from under you without a thought.


That is exactly the reason I've registered my own domain. It's time I get out there and try to do it on my own so there will never be the worry of having my work ripped out from under me at a whim...and if a policy changes it will be because I changed it.
Of course I will remain here too because I love yas  :-*
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Post by: chainmaille on May 02, 2012, 06:15:35 PM
I left a comment over there as well, Etsy really screwed Nicole and it really sucks! It would be nice if some more of members would show her some support as well.
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Post by: Blue Highways on May 02, 2012, 06:31:46 PM
I didn't want to be the 3rd comment in a row to mention HAF as I didn't want it to get the feel like we were vultures going in...but I did offer my support and wished her luck
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Post by: MakinTheBest on May 02, 2012, 06:34:01 PM
Really upsetting considering how hard it is to make it in this business and those that claimed to want to support you can rip the rug right out from under you without a thought.


That is exactly the reason I've registered my own domain. It's time I get out there and try to do it on my own so there will never be the worry of having my work ripped out from under me at a whim...and if a policy changes it will be because I changed it.
Of course I will remain here too because I love yas  :-*


As an owner of the site I shouldn't say this...but I encourage everyone to have a fall back plan whether another ecommerce site or their own domain...at least a blog that they can add a shopping cart to!  Now Andrew and I have NO delusions about being as big as Ebay or Etsy or even Artfire and have no intention of ever straying from our mission; but things happen and to put all your eggs in one basket as a small business is business 101 suicide. 


As far as following the green goes, I get it.  It would be nice to be well off and not have to worry about money but there is a cost that is not green and my values matter more to me than that.  I gave up on a teaching because I had to follow my values and my heart and spoke my mind and Andrew supported the decision...paycheck or not.  I will make it and we will always support our family on our terms and our terms alone.
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Post by: chainmaille on May 02, 2012, 07:14:13 PM
I had to stop by and say thank you to everyone who has shown support. It's really appreciated. I never thought my little blog post would get so much attention. lol. But I'm glad to see artisans standing together and doing their best to keep Etsy accountable.

Thank you!

Nicole Hanna
Nicole your welcome and we are so glad you stopped in to say hi. Your work is gorgeous, and you're more than welcome to hang out as much as you want. We are like a little family around here.
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 02, 2012, 07:41:16 PM
Nicole I posted your blog here as I could relate. I also had the rug pulled right out  from  under me over there, even though I complied with everything they asked me to. No warning, nothing. I lost 8 years of hard work and all my clients.....

Best wishes for your future.... :-*
Monika
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Post by: Larissa on May 02, 2012, 07:50:11 PM
According to one of the articles linked in this thread, Etsy has EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND shops.  Honestly, I'm totally in support of the impending protest, but at the same time, shutting down 4,000 of the "little guy" shops is barely a drop in the bucket to them.

At any rate, Nicole, welcome and hope you pop in every now & then.
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Post by: Blue Highways on May 02, 2012, 08:26:01 PM
Oh, believe me, I know 4000 of 800K is nothing BUT it means something to us collectively not to mention the voices of buyers who said they can no longer trust what they are purchasing there.
This has not gone by the wayside as all the other "issues" that have continually popped up in the past - piss everyone off - then they all forget about it and are business as usual.
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Post by: Larissa on May 02, 2012, 08:39:51 PM
Like I said, I 100% support the protest, and 4,000 voices is HUGE to have gathered.  I just worry about vendors who think, "Oh, Etsy can't shut down 4,000 of us!" when really it's not that farfetched that they CAN.  Those vendors need to have a backup plan pre-protest.
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Post by: Dee38753 on May 02, 2012, 10:32:11 PM
Like I said, I 100% support the protest, and 4,000 voices is HUGE to have gathered.  I just worry about vendors who think, "Oh, Etsy can't shut down 4,000 of us!" when really it's not that farfetched that they CAN.  Those vendors need to have a backup plan pre-protest.

Larissa....I am afraid that every word you just spoke is too true....I surely hope that all of these 4000 handmade artists have pre-planned for a back-up venue!
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 03, 2012, 04:38:59 AM
I hope and pray they do, I had none..its devastating.... :o
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 05, 2012, 03:34:12 PM
Here is a mockery if I ever saw one....

http://www.etsy.com/listing/98456827/sale-99-percent-off-etsy-sale-ooak-cf4l?ref=sr_gallery_1&ga_search_query=Etsy+sale+99+percent&ga_order=most_relevant&ga_ship_to=NL&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_type=all
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 05, 2012, 03:52:18 PM
The casualties at etsy are growing, see post below copied.....I am thinking with horror about May 10...of their planned protest
************************************************************
DennisAnderson
Add me to the list of Etsy perma-muted  All because of the malibu skank and her overseas cabana boys, I mean slaves.

 TrailerTrashPrincess
I’m so sorry to hear that Dennis. I’ve been watching the casualty list grow, and it makes me sad
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Post by: MakinTheBest on May 05, 2012, 07:43:41 PM
...and all the casualties are handmade artists just trying to carve out their little place in the world!  Makes me sick...
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 05, 2012, 08:00:19 PM
Yep, turns your stomache, does it...;o(
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Post by: Larissa on May 05, 2012, 11:15:25 PM
The casualties at etsy are growing, see post below copied.....I am thinking with horror about May 10...of their planned protest
************************************************************
DennisAnderson
Add me to the list of Etsy perma-muted  All because of the malibu skank and her overseas cabana boys, I mean slaves.

 TrailerTrashPrincess
I’m so sorry to hear that Dennis. I’ve been watching the casualty list grow, and it makes me sad

Are you kidding me?!  His shop is in 1827 circles.
His feedback bumbers 34,083, 100% positive.
He opened his shop on May 13, 2007.
He has 43,759 sales!
He has 20,002 admirers.

He's no joke.  And they're messing with HIM?
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Post by: FischerFineArts on May 06, 2012, 12:11:52 AM
I'm posting this link now, because I will bet you anything, that for what I'm saying in this thread, I will likely have my shop shut down any moment.

Here's the thread, but I don't show up until around page 9 or so?  http://www.etsy.com/teams/7722/business-topics/discuss/10257576/page/11/?post_id=126392979
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Post by: FischerFineArts on May 06, 2012, 12:34:37 AM
Now all I want to do is cry...it's so sad!
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 06, 2012, 05:31:36 AM
Oh dear Mel.....if it helps I will be singing at your funeral....real pretty!

You just have done what I had done, spoken up in no uncertain terms, I just had two ENTIRE TEAMS behind me - of one of them I was a leader- who also spoke up ....and then came the dreaded email.....shut down for no acceptable reason....apparently you are prepared - I was not, I still believed in their honesty and integrety....my dumb....

I openly accused them of breaching my contract with them, I told them their accusation are slander of me as a person and defamation of character, telling me my mosaic art is not handmade....
((((hugs )))) to you....my dear
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 06, 2012, 05:55:32 AM
The casualties at etsy are growing, see post below copied.....I am thinking with horror about May 10...of their planned protest
************************************************************
DennisAnderson
Add me to the list of Etsy perma-muted  All because of the malibu skank and her overseas cabana boys, I mean slaves.

 TrailerTrashPrincess
I’m so sorry to hear that Dennis. I’ve been watching the casualty list grow, and it makes me sad

Are you kidding me?!  His shop is in 1827 circles.
His feedback bumbers 34,083, 100% positive.
He opened his shop on May 13, 2007.
He has 43,759 sales!
He has 20,002 admirers.

He's no joke.  And they're messing with HIM?

YEP.....sure do.... :evil: :police:
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Post by: Blue Highways on May 06, 2012, 06:06:04 AM
Mel, please be sure to download all your info over there. Your sales info and listing info. It's super easy and super fast.....just in case. I've been doing it since last year. Need help just ask.
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Post by: MakinTheBest on May 06, 2012, 07:01:15 AM
Mel, just read your posts and your Guy 1 and Guy 2 had me rolling on the floor!  Thanks for putting yourself out there for the handmade artists that really do create and believe that one of a kind creations are worth the effort and price.
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Post by: MoKaPottery on May 06, 2012, 09:21:27 AM
Mel, please be sure to download all your info over there. Your sales info and listing info. It's super easy and super fast.....just in case. I've been doing it since last year. Need help just ask.
Also, copy and paste your feedback!

You're a brave lady for standing up to be counted. I only just started listing on Etsy in Feb and only have one sale so far, but once I get my listings active here, I'm just going to let them expire over there. The whole thing leaves a very sour taste in the mouth.
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Post by: iKnitQuiltSew on May 06, 2012, 02:23:06 PM
I saved my listings, and my sold orders and my feedback, and then I posted in the thread Mel cited above.  Though I didn't actually post a link here, there's an obvious type in my post.  There's only 8 items left in my shop on Etsy.  It's kind of not a huge loss if they shut it down.

This is home.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 06, 2012, 02:41:42 PM
Sandi, I checked, good point....
and
they sure are angry at this thread.....
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: FischerFineArts on May 06, 2012, 02:55:40 PM
You guys really make me want to cry with all the support you have shown me! Ok, I lied, I am crying! Yes, I did download everything and have it saved and I thank you for reminding me to download all the comments and other stuff as well.

I am not a pleasant person to be around when I am that pissed off...as you can tell from my posts.

Hmm...Kim, think I can sell some T-shirts with the 2 guys' comments? Lol...
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 06, 2012, 04:05:56 PM
I'd buy one!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 06, 2012, 04:09:07 PM
I join ya.... ;D

watch it etsy.... :evil: :evil: :police: :police:
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: thepeasantpailfull on May 06, 2012, 04:42:43 PM
Oh wow...I really feel like I've been through a tornado ever time I look on the forums now.
I just got through all that...I'm surprised it hasn't been shut down.

Not that I'm surprised but people are really up in arms about this huh?
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on May 06, 2012, 04:46:19 PM
The hipsters don't really watch on the weekend, it will probably be shut down tomorrow citing the "no external links" excuse...errr...rule. I saw at least two.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on May 06, 2012, 05:16:21 PM
I have been catching up and  :o OMG! This has just totally blown up hasn't it? I commented on the link from Mel, shared Nicole's blog post. I am going to go back an visit Etsy now and see what else I find. One of my sellers at my store was saying that her Etsy shop is suffering BIG TIME too. I gave her the link to here, so hopefully she'll come over to sell. Her hair clips are awesome!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 06, 2012, 05:32:34 PM
Joined in, nicely, but stated my opinion.  It breaks my heart the more I read.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on May 06, 2012, 05:57:00 PM
Joined in, nicely, but stated my opinion.  It breaks my heart the more I read.

 I saw and very well put I might add.  I visited some other threads and put my 2 cents in. Who knows, maybe I'll get closed. Not that it would matter much. There's nothing there anyway.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 07, 2012, 01:03:31 PM
Frome the NEW TOU's...over there.....

From the TOU, Section 2:
Right to Refuse Service: Etsy's services are not available to temporarily or indefinitely suspended Etsy members. Etsy reserves the right, in Etsy's sole discretion, to cancel unconfirmed or inactive accounts. Etsy reserves the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason, at any time.

Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 07, 2012, 01:05:42 PM
Frome the NEW TOU's...over there.....

From the TOU, Section 2:
Right to Refuse Service: Etsy's services are not available to temporarily or indefinitely suspended Etsy members. Etsy reserves the right, in Etsy's sole discretion, to cancel unconfirmed or inactive accounts. Etsy reserves the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason, at any time.


In other words, they will use this as the new reason to close shops...saves them time instead of looking for some actual infraction.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on May 07, 2012, 01:34:59 PM
People over there don't understand.  They have NO RIGHTS.  Etsy is not the government.  There is no requirement that a private company, which is what Etsy is, is required to allow free speech or anything else. 

Etsy has one simple obligation:  to host shops and provide a checkout method.  That's it.  It's not obligated to protect its sellers, keep out resellers, maintain integrity, properly define handmade, represent anyone's interests but its own, or anything else.  Just host shops and provide a checkout method.

Protesting is wonderful, I'm all for it; it won't change Etsy.  Etsy doesn't care about integrity or sellers or buyers or honesty.  Etsy cares that its making money.  And if it can make more money off made-in-China crap than it can from made-in-Florida art, then it's going to stick with the made-in-China crap.  In the end, it's not a bunch of well-meaning hippies who want to spread peace & love.  It's a business.  It's a big, lucrative business.  As long as its business model works to make money, it's sticking with it, little guys be damned.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 07, 2012, 01:37:12 PM
You got my drift.....(smile)....Kim....

We know Larissa you are right, it is just so hard for everyone over there to "get it" they all will drown soon trying to compete with made in china crap and wonder why....

BTW, I think soneone said this already, I get notice from any company out there if they change policies, etsy did not..... 
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on May 07, 2012, 01:37:55 PM
People over there don't understand.  They have NO RIGHTS.  Etsy is not the government.  There is no requirement that a private company, which is what Etsy is, is required to allow free speech or anything else. 

Etsy has one simple obligation:  to host shops and provide a checkout method.  That's it.  It's not obligated to protect its sellers, keep out resellers, maintain integrity, properly define handmade, represent anyone's interests but its own, or anything else.  Just host shops and provide a checkout method.

Protesting is wonderful, I'm all for it; it won't change Etsy.  Etsy doesn't care about integrity or sellers or buyers or honesty.  Etsy cares that its making money.  And if it can make more money off made-in-China crap than it can from made-in-Florida art, then it's going to stick with the made-in-China crap.  In the end, it's not a bunch of well-meaning hippies who want to spread peace & love.  It's a business.  It's a big, lucrative business.  As long as its business model works to make money, it's sticking with it, little guys be damned.


Well that's just bullshoot! LOL :laugh:

Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 07, 2012, 01:43:02 PM
Where, oh where have I heard that word before..... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 07, 2012, 01:44:31 PM
People over there don't understand.  They have NO RIGHTS.  Etsy is not the government.  There is no requirement that a private company, which is what Etsy is, is required to allow free speech or anything else. 

Etsy has one simple obligation:  to host shops and provide a checkout method.  That's it.  It's not obligated to protect its sellers, keep out resellers, maintain integrity, properly define handmade, represent anyone's interests but its own, or anything else.  Just host shops and provide a checkout method.

Protesting is wonderful, I'm all for it; it won't change Etsy.  Etsy doesn't care about integrity or sellers or buyers or honesty.  Etsy cares that its making money.  And if it can make more money off made-in-China crap than it can from made-in-Florida art, then it's going to stick with the made-in-China crap.  In the end, it's not a bunch of well-meaning hippies who want to spread peace & love.  It's a business.  It's a big, lucrative business.  As long as its business model works to make money, it's sticking with it, little guys be damned.


One of the reasons I watch it so closely is that we are in a similar, though much smaller position in that we promise to host your shop and provide a checkout method for your customers.  We obviously do much more than that in promoting and doing our best to offer support but in reality, we are just a host site.  I guess what bothers me is the idea that they started out as a support handmade site and wonder if their business plan was this all along or if it came over time...seeing money roll in and not wanting to lose it.


As I've said before, if you see us stray from our original statement in favor of the payday, please slap us silly!  I have no desire to become a big "business" like that. 
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on May 07, 2012, 01:47:27 PM
Honestly?  I don't worry about HAF ever changing unless you guys decided to sell it.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 07, 2012, 01:55:50 PM
Girls, I am so sorry to see all this mess and read about it because I was on 3 teams and very close with ever member, on one of them I was one of the leaders.

THEY DO NOT see the writing on the wall and act like nothing is wrong....so sad.....I keep sending them emails and they still do not want to hear it....devastating.....

That site will not support handmade only anymore and I was one of many first casualties speaking up and out....
Noticed they are still closing threads, like there is no tomorrow and they are popping up all over again, even with different unrelated titles. Now "they" close them down and call it spamming....oh man.....
I will shut up now...

Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on May 07, 2012, 01:56:50 PM
Well Kimberly, Andrew and me with my little store are in that "well meaning hippie group spreading peace, love and handmade" I guess and that's just fine with me.

 ??? Now, where did I put that granola again?  ;)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on May 07, 2012, 02:11:32 PM
Well Kimberly, Andrew and me with my little store are in that "well meaning hippie group spreading peace, love and handmade" I guess and that's just fine with me.

 ??? Now, where did I put that granola again?  ;)

I hope you know I didn't mean that as an insult.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 07, 2012, 02:50:13 PM
Well Kimberly, Andrew and me with my little store are in that "well meaning hippie group spreading peace, love and handmade" I guess and that's just fine with me.

 ??? Now, where did I put that granola again?  ;)

I hope you know I didn't mean that as an insult.


No insult here!  And besides, Andrew and I have been called much worse over the years when we stick our necks out for a cause or just because we feel something is right...now, pass the granola  :-*
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: iKnitQuiltSew on May 08, 2012, 10:11:56 AM
Well Kimberly, Andrew and me with my little store are in that "well meaning hippie group spreading peace, love and handmade" I guess and that's just fine with me.

 ??? Now, where did I put that granola again?  ;)

There's a whole flock of well-meaning, granola munching hippies here! 

Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 08, 2012, 12:14:06 PM
German Black Forest Cherry Torte anyone.....that's what mine look like ususally....
Cherry's soaked for 48 hours in 80 proof Rum....ya will be very happy...LOL

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2d7snxf.jpg)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 08, 2012, 12:16:04 PM
Thats what Larissa missed out on for her Derby party, my auto broke down...tsk...tsk..tsk.... :-\ :P ;D ;D


Obviously I am kiddin....... ;D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: FischerFineArts on May 08, 2012, 07:12:22 PM
German Black Forest Cherry Torte anyone.....that's what mine look like ususally....
Cherry's soaked for 48 hours in 80 proof Rum....ya will be very happy...LOL

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2d7snxf.jpg)
Monika, you bring a cake like that and you are welcome here any time! Shoot! We ought to have a huge HA party/bbq thing with this cake for dessert!

 :-*
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: chainmaille on May 08, 2012, 07:27:13 PM

Monika, you bring a cake like that and you are welcome here any time! Shoot! We ought to have a huge HA party/bbq thing with this cake for dessert!

 :-*
Mel,
Kimberly and I have spoken of this many times, in a real sense. When we get big enough and get a couple of extra dollars we plan on doing this. Getting together with our members and maybe having a convention or something larger. Most likely it will be small get togethers though in different parts of the country. Dreaming......
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: RiverRockArts on May 08, 2012, 07:30:39 PM
Andrew, that sounds like a great idea!  Sure, it's dreaming now, but who knows what the future holds.  I just have this feeling this site will grow and become well known.  OK, I am putting away my crystal ball now. :)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 08, 2012, 07:55:13 PM
Andrew, that sounds like a great idea!  Sure, it's dreaming now, but who knows what the future holds.  I just have this feeling this site will grow and become well known.  OK, I am putting away my crystal ball now. :)


Don't put it away just yet!  I have a million questions for it!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: RiverRockArts on May 08, 2012, 07:58:12 PM
Andrew, that sounds like a great idea!  Sure, it's dreaming now, but who knows what the future holds.  I just have this feeling this site will grow and become well known.  OK, I am putting away my crystal ball now. :)


Don't put it away just yet!  I have a million questions for it!

Ha ha! :)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 08, 2012, 08:30:06 PM
Honestly?  I don't worry about HAF ever changing unless you guys decided to sell it.


Don't see that happening, we are having too much fun  :-\  with you all to give it up!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 08, 2012, 09:33:34 PM
Count me in on that "PAAAAATYYYYYY " thingy.....and yes we can hvae this cake and more.....LOL
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Uniqlets on May 09, 2012, 06:03:25 AM
Would you mind delivering to NYC? ;D
German Black Forest Cherry Torte anyone.....that's what mine look like ususally....
Cherry's soaked for 48 hours in 80 proof Rum....ya will be very happy...LOL

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2d7snxf.jpg)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 09, 2012, 06:16:36 AM
Hahahahahahaa.......Good Morning Lisa..... :-*
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 09, 2012, 07:03:13 AM
BTW...looks like this thread Mel posted - its dead since May 6th...not closed either....
Seems like they finally run outta steam....of being angry

Here's the thread, but I don't show up until around page 9 or so?  http://www.etsy.com/teams/7722/business-topics/discuss/10257576/page/11/?post_id=126392979
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on May 09, 2012, 01:15:57 PM
German Black Forest Cherry Torte anyone.....that's what mine look like ususally....
Cherry's soaked for 48 hours in 80 proof Rum....ya will be very happy...LOL

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2d7snxf.jpg)

FORGET THE GRANOLA! I WANT CAKE!  ;D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 09, 2012, 01:54:48 PM
Teresa...you made me really CHuckle...... :laugh:
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MoKaPottery on May 10, 2012, 08:59:13 AM

Mel,
Kimberly and I have spoken of this many times, in a real sense. When we get big enough and get a couple of extra dollars we plan on doing this. Getting together with our members and maybe having a convention or something larger. Most likely it will be small get togethers though in different parts of the country. Dreaming......

Ahem... surely you mean in '... different parts of the WORLD '.

Now that's dreaming!

Kath
in Scotland
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: chainmaille on May 10, 2012, 09:02:08 AM
Yes Scotland is on our list, we've wanted to visit and burn stuff with Rachel Elliot, now we have someone else to get dirty with!!!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: RiverRockArts on May 10, 2012, 09:24:38 AM
Also on my long list of places I would like to visit someday, and I have a very long list. :)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Dragonclaw on May 10, 2012, 11:04:36 PM
Here is a classic... http://www.etsy.com/teams/7714/ideas/discuss/10281345/page/1
BTW the topic is already closed but the thread is currently stiil up... and the Admin comment (last post) had me rolling on the floor with disbelieving laughter..
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on May 10, 2012, 11:18:07 PM
Here is a classic... http://www.etsy.com/teams/7714/ideas/discuss/10281345/page/1
BTW the topic is already closed but the thread is currently stiil up... and the Admin comment (last post) had me rolling on the floor with disbelieving laughter..

Absolutely hilarious!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 11, 2012, 05:07:46 AM
Here is a classic... http://www.etsy.com/teams/7714/ideas/discuss/10281345/page/1 (http://www.etsy.com/teams/7714/ideas/discuss/10281345/page/1)
BTW the topic is already closed but the thread is currently stiil up... and the Admin comment (last post) had me rolling on the floor with disbelieving laughter..

Absolutely hilarious!


Classic!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: RiverRockArts on May 11, 2012, 05:13:53 AM
Ah, the classic "call out" post where a bad buyer/seller is allowed to continue and the good people are not allowed to find out about it.  More of the usual.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 11, 2012, 05:16:34 AM
Here is a classic... http://www.etsy.com/teams/7714/ideas/discuss/10281345/page/1 (http://www.etsy.com/teams/7714/ideas/discuss/10281345/page/1)
BTW the topic is already closed but the thread is currently stiil up... and the Admin comment (last post) had me rolling on the floor with disbelieving laughter..

Absolutely hilarious!


Classic!


Absolutely love it......
(http://i49.tinypic.com/33urdpz.jpg)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on May 11, 2012, 05:58:38 AM
That seller's chutzpah is just mind boggling.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MoKaPottery on May 11, 2012, 06:56:38 AM
OMG - Does she have a death wish?

Why would she go into the forums on the day of the protest she pretty much CAUSED? 

In any other venue, I would think she was trolling for the responses that she (rightly) got, in the hope that she'd get people muted or closed. 

Actually... thinking further on it, that's exactly what I think she was doing.

 :o
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 11, 2012, 07:01:53 AM
OMG - Does she have a death wish?

Why would she go into the forums on the day of the protest she pretty much CAUSED? 

In any other venue, I would think she was trolling for the responses that she (rightly) got, in the hope that she'd get people muted or closed. 

Actually... thinking further on it, that's exactly what I think she was doing.

 :o


That was my thought, almost thumbing her nose at everyone like a bully.  Either that or she is really as dense as her furniture.  :laugh:
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 11, 2012, 07:16:00 AM
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I have no words....
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 13, 2012, 04:50:41 AM
Here is one telling etsy to stop shut down threads. That was also shut down for some stooopid reason.....

http://www.etsy.com/teams/7714/ideas/discuss/10281911/page/1
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 13, 2012, 04:58:13 AM
Remember her, Nicole Hanna Jewelery....she is shut down now.....
_____________________________________________________________________
When I heard that a shop was suspended, I thought maybe it was for an angry screed that mentioned Etsy and certain other shops by name. But no, it was this (from Nicole Hanna Jewelery):

'Shop contents are currently unavailable while I work on re-branding and movement of merchandise. I support artisan and hand-crafted goods and, as such, believe a show of solidarity, support and praise is necessary to encourage small business owners in the continuing herculean endeavor to survive in a world of commercial mass production. I urge consumers to support the artisan marketplace and creative community in general and appreciate your interest in my work. Thank you.'
________________________________________________________________
There's nothing wrong with this statement. It doesn't badmouth other shops, it doesn't call anyone out, and it DOESN'T violate the TOS.

Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 13, 2012, 06:00:33 AM
Is it wrong that I burst out laughing at the way that they closed the thread?





Matt Quirk (http://www.etsy.com/people/mattdaquirk) from mattdaquirk says
We do not censor. We close threads that violate our Forum policies. We make it clear in our DOs and DON'Ts, and Admin made it clear in closing, that abusive language is not permitted. This thread also violates policy by referring to and linking to that closed thread, and so will be closed. Please read our Forum policies for further information. Thank you.
We do not censor?  Are you kidding me?
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 13, 2012, 10:12:58 AM
Kim, I thought you would get a kick outta this as I did...
Is it perhaps possible they turned into a Dictator ship communist company......
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on May 13, 2012, 12:42:25 PM
I suppose they "do not censor" as in they don't delete the "offensive" posts.  They just terminate the conversations.  I do appreciate that it seems the old threads are still there for people to read, even if no one's actually paying attention to them because they're no longer active and the new threads bury them.

As for Mariana, it seems to me that she posted that thread 100% to say, "Hey guys, still here!  Haha!"
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 16, 2012, 08:48:14 AM
CATALOGS ??????????????????
******************************************************************
Bunny from OceansideVintage says
They are trying to make digital catalogs for shoppers thus leaving out thousands of shops. If you read the Blog and Merchandising article they are rolling out catalogs they call " relevant" search sites, with only select shops in each. How can they think that is a fair practice? I don't see an explanation there. They state they want only good photographs with live models to show the shopper what it actually might look like on. Huh?
That should be stated in the small print when you sign up. I understand they obviously want to look like RUBYLANE now, with prices to match. I just don't understand how they could dump the thousands of supporters who helped make Esty such a success. Hundreds of shops closing daily. Watch the Forums. Now they are going to do the same thing to
Home and Garden, Fashion, and Babies as they did with Weddings. Wow!
Also they joined the " B Movement" in the same month. Seems like a double standard to me. Yes ..big business..does the same. What can anyone do but leave? Hundreds of folks crying out on forums and Etsy is silent . Too busy looking for fantastic photos from select shops and hiring people to do the looking, to see they are slowing fading out some really long time supporters here. I don't care either way. I love vintage and will sell at flea markets and shops and antique booths. I just love vintage and wanted to share with a 100 people a day instead of 2, but hey it does not change how I feel about what I love. If I were in it for the money I would have left long ago. I love looking and finding items I love as well as selling, but after seeing the treatment these shops are getting I don't know if I will stay or not. May just let listing expire and leave again. Just re-opened in Jan. after leaving for a year and a half. Unfair is unfair. They should not allow people to join their site if they have specific criteria now about photos and models. But soon..they will have no excuse to give except the truth. " Playing Favorites" is not the same thing as SEO or Relevancy. They created an ocean of artisans . Could compare it to a country in itself. Now they want to succeed from the nation. Interesting to watch. But its not a comedy for sure!

Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 19, 2012, 03:52:59 PM
Has anyone seen this?  http://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10323615/page/1 (http://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10323615/page/1)  Looks like they are changing the categories to look like the wedding category now.  Not sure what to say except that there is no way I could shop that way.  I like Pinterest as a time killer, but when I shop I want lists and photos that I can search and scroll through and those different size pictures make my eyes cross after a while.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 19, 2012, 04:13:09 PM
Yep, your items wont be found anymore....if you dont conform...
its the same as the wedding desaster....

http://www.etsy.com/teams/7720/bugs/discuss/10310434/page/3/?post_id=127781527
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 19, 2012, 04:31:26 PM
Mr Chad himself is making fun of that he has resellers on there....

http://www.etsy.com/treasury/NjAzNjM5NHw1OTYxNjY/welcoming-our-new-overlords?ref=pr_treasury
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 19, 2012, 04:34:27 PM
Its not ending....

http://www.dailydot.com/news/etsy-chad-dickerson-reseller-controversy-regretsy/
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MoKaPottery on May 20, 2012, 04:08:13 PM
Unbelievable! This treasury was two years go but you'd think he'd go back and check, right?

BTW, the forum changed part of the URL to the slash dot story and substituted the first half I'd chad's surname for the word 'squiggly'
 ;D
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 20, 2012, 04:44:38 PM
Oh we dont know the half of it, etsy is using the FBI Cyber Crime Form to report innocent sellers, they do not look into any situation before doing so - frequently and incorrectly, its just horrible....

http://consumerist.com/2008/02/sellers-growing-increasingly-unhappy-with-lack-of-professionalism-at-etsy.html
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 20, 2012, 04:55:32 PM
Etsy makes Millions with kismetrics....they dont care about search criteria......

http://etsyb**tch.blogspot.com/2011/08/etsy-evil-to-core.html#links
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on May 20, 2012, 06:11:07 PM
I'm just waiting to see this whole mess show up on shows like GMA, Today, etc. It just keeps snowballing over there-someone is bound to pick up on it sometime don't you think?
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 21, 2012, 04:55:22 PM
I wonder why they haven't already..... :evil:
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 27, 2012, 03:45:22 PM
Here we go again, a Korean seller is slaughtered and everyone is so facetious about it
http://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10369202/page/3
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: RiverRockArts on May 27, 2012, 04:17:01 PM
Another Etsy thread bites the dust. :)  The admin closed that one as we expected would happen.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 27, 2012, 04:20:26 PM
Since I am bilingual, I could see the possibility of having used a translator program and everything is backwards and messed up....oh well good luck to her...
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 27, 2012, 04:56:50 PM
Here we go again, a Korean seller is slaughtered and everyone is so facetious about it
http://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10369202/page/3 (http://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10369202/page/3)


This one goes for 5 pages and I made one about IBH that lasted 2 posts and got my hand slapped...gotta love it! 


As far as this seller, I think the translator program is her worst enemy here.  She really needs to find an English speaking friend.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: RiverRockArts on May 27, 2012, 05:30:04 PM
Never trust a translator program.  They tend to translate words and not concepts as you need to do when you translate. 
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 28, 2012, 09:17:57 AM
Oh here is the newest...etsy is hit by spam bots....they favor everything in your shop going from shop to shop.....hahahahahaaaaaa....etsy cannot get a grip on it....

It really is not a big deal, other then that it will totally mess up your actual shop stats...so there goes counting on your numbers...
They cannot shut them down fast enough, and the threads are full again of this and shut down by Mr. Cowbyhat , whoever he is....
This is such a joke.....over there....
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: iKnitQuiltSew on May 28, 2012, 09:41:38 AM
I've gotten two email this morning from someone pushing http://www.isupportamerican.com/ (http://www.isupportamerican.com/).  My curiosity got the best of me...  it runs soooooooooo slow, I almost gave up.  It's another Etsy clone right down to the front page layout.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: RiverRockArts on May 28, 2012, 10:29:36 AM
There are people favoriting items on Etsy so you will look at their profile.  I had heard about that but recently had it happen to me.  When I checked out the profile, it read like an advertisement for SEO.  More spammers.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 28, 2012, 01:12:13 PM
Oh no, River these did not even have a profile.....LOL
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 29, 2012, 05:41:27 PM
Just read this entire thread. I feel sad.

Can someone link to where Etsy says they want models in pictures now? Thanks.


They didn't say that in that thread, but in a wedding thread here [size=78%]http://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10211103/ (http://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10211103/)[/size] (watch out, it is a LONG one) when they changed the wedding category to look to be more like pinterest.  Have  no idea what page it was on and don't remember if Etsy said it or it was just assumed by wedding sellers based on what was being picked for the pages.
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Post by: MakinTheBest on May 29, 2012, 06:18:31 PM
That is it and people are up in arms about it.  Going to be a shock to those that don't visit the forums when all the categories change over.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: iKnitQuiltSew on May 29, 2012, 06:48:30 PM
There's all of 4 items left in my Etsy shop, the last of which will expire next month, and you have no idea how thrilled I am to not be part of that place any more!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on May 30, 2012, 10:28:59 AM
I saw this article on FB today and thought I'd share it with you. Needless to say I have issues with it. They obviously did not do their homework very well regarding Etsy. I was about to ask what you guys thought, but I'm sure I'll hear something.  :D

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255698/the_5_best_online_marketplaces_for_selling_handmade_goods.html
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on May 30, 2012, 10:29:51 AM
I am down to 26 books there, I felt myself start to waver in my conviction to leave once everything had expired when 5 books were sold there this month with me doing ZERO, pretty much ignoring that shop, then I read this to put my integrity back in check....sorry folks, for those not familiar with regretsy but the language gets a little ...mmmm....spicy at times LOL

http://www.regretsy.com/2012/05/29/from-the-horses-blowhole/ (http://www.regretsy.com/2012/05/29/from-the-horses-blowhole/)
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on May 30, 2012, 11:21:57 AM
I am down to 26 books there, I felt myself start to waver in my conviction to leave once everything had expired when 5 books were sold there this month with me doing ZERO, pretty much ignoring that shop, then I read this to put my integrity back in check....sorry folks, for those not familiar with regretsy but the language gets a little ...mmmm....spicy at times LOL

http://www.regretsy.com/2012/05/29/from-the-horses-blowhole/ (http://www.regretsy.com/2012/05/29/from-the-horses-blowhole/)

Wow, that's some article! I can totally understand your waivering. It would be hard for most of us I think. It was easier for me to leave because I hadn't had a sale in many months. In fact the last couple I had technically were from my B&M store. It was stuff that I customized for people and did the salse through Etsy since it was easier for all involved.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on May 30, 2012, 11:41:21 AM
Yes, this month put me over 100 sales over there (my first listing was June 1 2010...or right around there) I just have to believe and keep in mind I can do this without them with the help of HA and the .com shop I'm putting together as I speak.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: iKnitQuiltSew on May 30, 2012, 11:49:05 AM
I left a comment at PC World and thoroughly enjoyed the Regretsy post.

Yes, you may be tempted by fleeting successes at Etsy.  But I equate it to being a battered woman, who keeps going back to the man who beats her because he promises he'll never do it again...
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on May 30, 2012, 12:28:31 PM
That is SPOT ON, Sandi
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 30, 2012, 01:17:19 PM
I know that Etsy is a very successful venue for a lot of people and would never expect them to leave from a business standpoint...after all it is business.  My issue with Etsy is more on their not standing by their own mission statement.  If they want to change how they do business then by all means, it is their sandbox so they make the rules, but be honest about it instead of parading around in hipster clothes in a grandma's attic decor office.  While I don't have a lot of respect for Artfire either, at least they admitted the problem and openly welcomed commercial items by giving them their own section.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 30, 2012, 01:29:36 PM
Been saying this all along etsy has become *bay.....no matter....

enjoyed the regretsy article, that woman is good..
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 30, 2012, 01:31:35 PM
Been saying this all along etsy has become *bay.....no matter....

enjoyed the regretsy article, that woman is good..


She has built an empire around the fails of crafting and craft sites!  Got to give her credit for it!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on May 31, 2012, 08:28:17 AM
Quote
She has built an empire around the fails of crafting and craft sites!  Got to give her credit for it!


I totally agree!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on May 31, 2012, 09:58:41 AM
I know that Etsy is a very successful venue for a lot of people and would never expect them to leave from a business standpoint...after all it is business.  My issue with Etsy is more on their not standing by their own mission statement.  If they want to change how they do business then by all means, it is their sandbox so they make the rules, but be honest about it instead of parading around in hipster clothes in a grandma's attic decor office.  While I don't have a lot of respect for Artfire either, at least they admitted the problem and openly welcomed commercial items by giving them their own section.

I feel the same way.  Don't be a liar.  Make your decisions and then OWN THEM.  I can't freakin' stand liars.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Dragonclaw on May 31, 2012, 10:50:41 AM
Here is your newest laugh for the day...
http://www.etsy.com/teams/7718/site-help/discuss/10392246/page/1
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on May 31, 2012, 10:59:42 AM
Hahaa...that's pretty funny!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on May 31, 2012, 11:03:34 AM
The first positive thing I've seen about Etsy is that they don't allow sock puppets.  That's cool.

But yeah, that poster is a nutjob.  Sorry, honey, I've been the victim of actual bullying, and Regretsy ain't it.
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Dragonclaw on May 31, 2012, 11:55:19 AM
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/be_nice_you_guys/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=system&utm_campaign=Send%2Bto%2BFriend

I have no words...  ???
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Larissa on May 31, 2012, 12:15:53 PM
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/be_nice_you_guys/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=system&utm_campaign=Send%2Bto%2BFriend

I have no words...  ???

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: Blue Highways on May 31, 2012, 12:26:45 PM
I'd be willing to bet that Etsy thought that this latest reseller debacle would have been long forgotten by now as all the others in the past had...they are very wrong - I'd say it was the straw that broke the camels back. 360 smart a$$ed comments on that petition so far proves it
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: MakinTheBest on May 31, 2012, 01:31:57 PM
This is just what I needed!  A really good laugh after a very long and trying week!


As far as Regretsy....I would kill to have April notice us because she brings serious traffic with her!  The day she does a post on us is the day we know we've arrived in the big time!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: myeuropeantouch on May 31, 2012, 08:24:09 PM
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/be_nice_you_guys/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=system&utm_campaign=Send%2Bto%2BFriend

I have no words...  ???

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

I am speechless.....hahahahahha a good speechless....
Those etsy sellers will not forget that was just to big a step in the "big Sh**" for them.... :laugh: :evil: :laugh:
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: iKnitQuiltSew on May 31, 2012, 11:31:22 PM
I so wanted to sign that petition!  I'm such a chicken!!!
Title: Re: I thought handmade is already defined lol etsy...
Post by: trusk4u on June 01, 2012, 12:00:58 PM
Wow, a range of emotions on this latest mess. Going from  ;D to  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:! I thought I'd seen and heard it all, but this proves otherwise.