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Title: Huge amount of views/no sales. Does my shop stink?? lol
Post by: Luv2ScrapForU on March 14, 2012, 01:03:09 PM
I'm beginning to get a complex. ;)
Title: Re: Huge amount of views/no sales. Does my shop stink?? lol
Post by: trusk4u on March 14, 2012, 01:17:31 PM
I have only 2 sales, but I feel the same way.  :(
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Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 14, 2012, 01:20:10 PM
Nothing here.... :(
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Post by: RiverRockArts on March 14, 2012, 06:54:57 PM
Me too. :(
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Post by: Blue Highways on March 14, 2012, 07:27:01 PM
No. Nobodys shops stink! I know this has been beaten to death but: Be patient. Promote. Promote others (karma is a beautiful thing - well, the good kind is anyway) Keep creating and adding new things to your shop, nobody wants to visit and see the same exact things in there that you had last month with nothing new.


I've been nudging people from my Etsy shop/circles etc. to shop here. At the holidays I sent holiday postcard greetings that I had made at Vistaprint (got a deal on a free set) with my HAF shop link with a small discount code to ALL my past Etsy customers pointing them in this direction. I use Facebook to search for local FB groups to join and post a link to my shop and new listings.
 
I just keep making my books and spend A LOT of time trying to get my shop out there. I don't treat this gig I have any differently than I would if I were out there working a 9-5...'cept I work more hours now. :o


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Post by: chainmaille on March 14, 2012, 07:54:45 PM
Blue I love the positive attitude thanks so much for that. Your advice is perfect for no matter where you sell. The real deal here is that no matter what anyone thinks we are new. It will take time, now that the forum, shop, and blog are together that will help. Our alexa ranking dropped another 1000 points over night, and will continue to drop. So every single day things are improving around here on all fronts. So I truly believe patience is needed but also work. Trust me I know who promotes their shop and here and who doesn't, I also know who promotes others people work here and who doesn't. So, I do believe karma goes a long way. I posted on the HAFshop FB page some of the last sales, to try and encourage everyone. There is sales, that is a fact, is there thousands of sales no, no there is not. I'm doing the best I can do on my end to change that, but every single person here that puts in a few minutes a day promoting in anyway will build sales for all. The fact is I have a lot of respect for Etsy and what they have built, it is unfortunate that they allowed all the resellers. They are truly ruining Etsy.
Sites like ours though, will get there and really be a viable site for selling handmade, but it will take time. I've never told anyone to leave Etsy or Artfire, but I've suggested that we are another option. But it pains me to read these threads, it really does.
I personally take things too personally, I know this about me, trust me Kimberly knows this about me as well. So all I can suggest is to keep the faith and keep promoting, and  on top of all that hope the economy continues to improve. We have yet to schedule any craft shows this year, because to be quite honest, the economy sucks, ask me why we lost a third of our house value, the economy sucks! Sorry, right now I'm grateful for any sales at all. The wonderful thing though is that in all of this sales have steadily improved since we relaunched the new site almost a year ago. So I'll take that, steady improvement is better than no improvement.

Steps off soapbox.......
Tired of listening to myself talk.....
LOL >:(
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Post by: Larissa on March 14, 2012, 09:07:56 PM
No. Nobodys shops stink! I know this has been beaten to death but: Be patient. Promote. Promote others (karma is a beautiful thing - well, the good kind is anyway) Keep creating and adding new things to your shop, nobody wants to visit and see the same exact things in there that you had last month with nothing new.

Ditto.  Ditto, ditto, and ditto.  And also... what she said.
Title: Re: Huge amount of views/no sales. Does my shop stink?? lol
Post by: RiverRockArts on March 15, 2012, 05:16:13 AM
Thanks for the encouragement.  I know it takes time, but it is a real concern when your shop is not paying for itself and another month goes by with still no sales.  If you are running a business, even a part time one like I am trying to do, that is not good.  I promote wherever I can find to promote, but there may be places that I don't know about.  I do what I can with the time I have, but with a full time job that demands a lot of my time, there is not a lot of time to make new items or spend a lot of time online promoting.  Most of the time I have to choose between promoting what I have listed or making new items.  I am hoping all those views will turn into sales very soon. 
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Post by: chainmaille on March 15, 2012, 08:20:11 AM
Thanks for the encouragement.  I know it takes time, but it is a real concern when your shop is not paying for itself and another month goes by with still no sales.  If you are running a business, even a part time one like I am trying to do, that is not good.  I promote wherever I can find to promote, but there may be places that I don't know about.  I do what I can with the time I have, but with a full time job that demands a lot of my time, there is not a lot of time to make new items or spend a lot of time online promoting.  Most of the time I have to choose between promoting what I have listed or making new items.  I am hoping all those views will turn into sales very soon.

RiverRock I have no solution for you. Sales are tough, and if you do not feel you are getting what you want out of your investment of 17 cents a day then you should close your shop. Not trying to rude or not positive or anything, but that is what we are really talking about 17 cents. It is a very small investment for what you get in return sales or not, exposure is big. Sorry just an opinion.
Trust me I know, I remember when we first started on Etsy forever ago, Etsy was just starting out, we would list and list, months and months would go by and we would say to ourselves that this just isn't worth it. Then we had to put it in perspective, and said, well we spent $10 or $20 or whatever. Is it worth the investment. We thought it was and continued, it wasn't until Etsy went down hill that we left.
So you can look at it many ways, is 17 cents a day worth it to you? If so stop letting it bother you and do your best, if it is not worth it for you then close your shop and move on. I honestly can not tell you how much money we have spent on advertising, and how many hours we've spent on promotion for our own work and on the shop as a whole. You either love it or you don't. I guess :-\
I also understand the time constraints, I work a full time job as well, if anyone thinks we make a living on this, we don't. Not on our own products or on the shop, practically every penny from the shop has went back into it and then some.
So once again I guess you need to ask yourself, do you love it, is it worth it? That is only for you to know in anything in life.
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Post by: Nancy Pace on March 15, 2012, 10:02:23 AM
I really really must respond to this and back Andrew and Kimberly, this is a new site and like any new business, (stepping up, pushing Andrew off the soap box) you get out of it what you invest. I had a successful antique business for several years,I heard all kind of comments when I freelancing(buying estates, and at auctions for resell) I sure wish I had lots of money, I wish I could get that much for my junk,but they were not willing to do what I did to get there, leave home at dawn, drive long distances, stand in the rain,snow,cold,heat whatever it took to bring home furniture or anything to scrub,polish,repair,hose off the bird poop,you know the really glamorous job of being an antique dealer:)
The hours of study and research I put in would make most people run,I didn't watch TV at night, I read reference books, and not just once, over and over and after a short 30 yrs
I was considered an expert in my field,and when I had things to sell I could make a call
and people would drive across the county to buy it. Then We bought a building, a run down building, put in 3 months of clean up and repair, tons of money, our 401K money, we gambled. Even though I know the business, had great mentors and wanted to jump in, I knew from watching other people who were smart and experienced lose it all when they didn't have a business plan, and you have to be willing to really work and must plan to wait. Have you written a business plan? That is the first thing I ask anyone who wants to start a business. A good plan takes time and thought,The last one I wrote for my brick and mortar store took 6 months of intense work.
For this business I scaled back to a step plan, 1st step,second step,so on. I won't bore you with my steps because yours will be different, we are unique.
I spend half my business day on self promotion, and image building,you must make people buy in to your dream.
I also spend about 2 hrs a week, I build it in to my work schedule, to update, change,improve my places, my shop appearance, update facebook pages,I tweet, write a couple of blogs, I feature other artists and crafts people, it's about giving back it should be part of it.
The handmade highlights are to the perfect place to spotlight other peoples work and be generous. And last but not least, Attitude,attitude,Attitude! You never, ever want to forget, anything you write on the internet is public. I have a
secret I will share with you, and I am not complaining,I have not made a sale since Christmas. I may look like a very successful artist, and I am, but sales are slow everywhere. I am not going to help myself by complaining, if I said it enough I might start to believe I am failing. I never give up my dream! When I feel down, I go look for someone else to build up. I don't take this personally I know my art is good, I know it will start to pick up. I am committed to making it work,what ever it takes.
As far as $5 a month, you will never find a place to sell as cheap as this with near as many perks. The economy took my last business along with my savings and I will pay for another year before I am done. I had to start from scratch,with the grace of God,I see the light at the end of the tunnel, the economy is turning around. I believe this website and forum will be a strong selling presence in the near future, so lets, go sell it to the world. Sorry if I sounded harsh, but I have heard this everywhere,how bad it is, what will happen? It will be what we make it, what we give to the world they will believe if we tell them it's great, but you must convince yourself first. I hope I didn't offend anyone,but negativity hurts us all. No place in success for negativity!
Title: Re: Huge amount of views/no sales. Does my shop stink?? lol
Post by: Nárrína on March 15, 2012, 10:22:13 AM
Just give it time, RiverRock.  You haven't had your shop for very long, and sometimes it takes a while before you start to sell (that's true anywhere).  When starting a business, it is not at all uncommon to not even make a profit for the first 2-3 years.  It can take as long as 6 years to establish a business of any kind, so just hang in there.  Eventually, if you keep at it and don't give up, it will pay off.  I was on Etsy for 2-3 years without any sales with three stores (one for my jewelry, one for hand-made clasps, and one for vintage jewelry; I've since decided not to bother with the other two anymore and just focus on my jewelry) before I decided to leave Etsy.  You've only had your shop here for maybe 3.5 months,  that is really not a long time at all so don't give up yet. 
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Post by: Dragonclaw on March 15, 2012, 10:32:07 AM
Thank you for your comments Andrew and Nancy, I am considering this slow sales period a time of building my customer base (and inventory) and setting myself up for the return of a good economy. At that time it is my intent to be well known and respected in my art community, (which I see already happening)... So if $5 bucks a month is not causing you to skip meals, meds, or any of the real important things in life, I reccomend hanging in there...
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Post by: chainmaille on March 15, 2012, 10:33:53 AM
Nancy get off my soapbox!! >:( >:( >:(
LOL

Thanks for sharing and giving us more insight into your experience.
I do also believe that over time sales will pick up here, honestly I can see it already.
Kimberly and I always laugh at the commercials that you see on TV, about Intuit or  another one is 1and1 I believe. They are these website deals, they say just signup, publish, and get found on google!! It is actually hilarious because it couldn't be further from the truth.
Since we have merged google has indexed our site better than ever, there are more of our pages in googles index than ever. We submit automatically daily sitemaps to google that are automatically generated daily. This has been a big help in our growth. Our Alexa rankings are dropping daily, which will probably take a few months to stabilize, but everything is heading in the right direction. So there are a lot of positive things on the horizon.

As far as taking things personally, I unfortunately do, and I know it is a character defect of mine. But we have been working our butt off for 3 years building the forum, shop, and blog. We have made nothing to speak of, because everything we make we reinvest.
It is tough for us as we see people join and leave after two weeks, and it is like Really?, is 2 weeks your test period for a sale? So we right it off in our mind, that if that is their mentality, then we really don't need them here.
Anyway I'll step back off the soapbox and let someone else step on :D
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Post by: Larissa on March 15, 2012, 10:41:26 AM
Nancy, I love your attitude and business acumen.

My grandparents were antique dealers too, and my mom has a consignment shop with antiques, jewelry, pictures, knicknacks, books, games, and other eclectic stuff.  I remember going to garage sales and auctions with my grandparents at 6 a.m., doing just what you said, standing in the rain, pushing through to be the first to find the finds. 

As for my mom, she started in 1996, and she's had great months and months when she thought she'd have to close her doors.  Even now it's up & down.  It's the nature of sales.  It's the nature of anything that's not W-2 employment.  Then again, even with a W-2 job, it's easy to lose these days.

When the economy sucks, as some have said... that's the time to market.  Smart businesspeople pour MORE money into their businesses when times are tough, rather than less.

And it'll turn around.  The economy is cyclical, always has been.  We pulled out of the 1929 crash, we'll pull out of this too.
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Post by: trusk4u on March 15, 2012, 11:16:51 AM
I was just feeling down in the dumps when I posted. I KNOW how hard you guys work to keep this place together. I KNOW with my own store how fickle sales can be. I am currently in a rough patch again (former business partner is up to no good  >:() but I am determined to stay open. So I will continue on and try to promote as much as humanly possible. And not just my shop, but other shops and the site as a whole. Thanks for the kick in the pants!
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Post by: thepeasantpailfull on March 15, 2012, 11:34:08 AM
i will say two things,one just briefly playing the devils advocate if you will. i've really heard worse things from people about sales on etsy. it amazes me how undramatic this place is by comparison. i never even realized how dramatic etsy was until i came here.

(off topic that handmade defined is getting particularly icky there)

So try not to worry too much.  ;)

Now,once if ever i get a shop going rest assured I won't leave after two weeks. i know it can take months if not years for a new business to grow. i think that is the thing with many crafters,the fact that its still a true business in the end is not the first thought. Not that I'm that experienced,but the first thought is that this is my craft and everyone should love it,of course myself included. But i know it takes time and effort.

I really do like the new format and the pictures work again,thank you a lot. I especially like that I can share my pictures without a shop or even a blog;though i may get one later i don't have one now. Its nice to get an opinion before I consider selling something. That gallery especially is something i think no other selling site has,at least that i know of now.

Things are getting better too,it will turn around i agree.
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Post by: iKnitQuiltSew on March 15, 2012, 11:45:27 AM
Sometimes we all need a kick in the pants!  Reality is that NO ONE is an overnight success...  even the really successful folks, regardless of their line of work, were not overnight successes.  If it's worth having, it's worth working for!

I just sold a quilt on a custom order.  This is my third sale this year.  The lady contacted me, stating that she had seen my work over a year ago somewhere on the web, and wrote down my name, and was so happy that I was still in business now that she can afford to commission a quilt.   The  implication is that this customer saved up for a year to make a purchase!  How incredible is that!

Money is incredibly tight and customers are looking for high value when they decide to part with those all-to-scarce dollars.  And I do believe that a lot of people are shopping and then saving and then returning to make a purchase.

There is nothing "for sure" in running your own business.  Perhaps the greatest aspect any business owner can have is faith in themselves, and this goes triple for anyone in the arts.  The best thing you can do for yourself is to let the globe know that you're here and you're not going anywhere.

Boy, I typed a lot of words to say, "Hang in there!"
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Post by: Uniqlets on March 15, 2012, 12:18:30 PM
Okay, here's my prediction.  In time, everyone will be complaining about not being able to make things quickly enough to keep up with the orders.  My sales are slow, but I know that it is because I do not do nearly enough to gain exposure for my work.  That is my problem and I will change it.  I also know that I must continue to do what I can to know what my intended customer wants and to reflect that in my designs.  It is all a process and any process takes time and effort. 
With the wonderful group here and the incredible work that Andrew and Kimberly put into this entire endeavor, it is all bound to take off like wildfire. 
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Post by: Nancy Pace on March 15, 2012, 04:22:09 PM
Lisa, I love your prediction!!! I am getting my own tent this year, I borrowed one last year, no $$$ ,I may have to sell some furniture or have a rummage sale,what I always do when I am in a pinch,lol! I am going to do outside shows, art and wine festivals and any high end art show that will take me, and I can afford, they are pricey.
Teresa, I was not meaning to kick you in the pants Darlin' I meant to help you:)
I do much better selling in person, and when I had a website, people would shop there and not buy then come  meet me in person ,buy from me, then later buy from me on-line. I think it's hard to trust. You have nice things, I really admire the Red Posie brooch!
We can all benefit if we stay the course and be positive:)
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Post by: RiverRockArts on March 15, 2012, 06:09:53 PM
I was just feeling down in the dumps when I posted. I KNOW how hard you guys work to keep this place together. I KNOW with my own store how fickle sales can be. I am currently in a rough patch again (former business partner is up to no good  >:() but I am determined to stay open. So I will continue on and try to promote as much as humanly possible. And not just my shop, but other shops and the site as a whole. Thanks for the kick in the pants!

Same here.  We all have those days.  I know it's not much a day when you look at it that way, but I really need to make a profit this year because  I don't want the government coming back to me sand saying I am not a business because of another loss.  I really only started selling in November, but they look at it the year you started organizing.  If not for that, I would not be so concerned.  It took a while to get everything together with the time I had.  Maybe I am worrying about that for nothing, but what I was told about that did not sound good for a new business, especially a one person part-time one. 

I have no intention of giving up and closing shop.  I think it is just a matter of time, but I hope you can understand why I am concerned about at least making a small profit this year...even a penny. :)  I appreciate everything you do, Andrew and Kimberly, but I was having one of those days and was venting.  I will keep at it and list new items as I get them made and hope for the best.  I will continue to promote wherever possible, make highlights, etc.  I can't wait until I get some time off the day job to be able to spend more time on making my items, researching more shipping location costs, and getting my items listed.  Thank you everyone who responded for the encouragement and advice.  Sorry for the vent.
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Post by: chainmaille on March 15, 2012, 06:36:29 PM
River I am probably venting a bit as well. I just know how much work it takes to do what we do and it is disheartening to hear negativity. The whole creation of the forum, shop, and blog over the last 3 years has at times put incredible strain on our family and on Kimberly and I especially. There has been fights, sleepless nights, thoughts of giving up. So I understand the frustration. My elation lately has been that things are actually doing quite well. The site is really coming together now. We need to complete the chat and then go onto a list of fixes and improvements. The list is relatively easy for the most part, although we have a few tough items to get through.
As far as the government thinking your running a losing cause, I've never heard of that. I think most people including the government know that businesses typically do not show a profit for at least 5 years. Unless you took a government loan to open up, I wouldn't be concerned with that at all. If you set up a sole proprietorship, I wouldn't hesitate to show the loss. It will help you on your return.
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Post by: Blue Highways on March 15, 2012, 06:39:25 PM
You're right RRA. We do all have those days and we're all here to support and encourage in times like that/this.
As for the IRS, a girlfriend and I were talking about that very thing recently and I found:
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you must prove to the IRS that you're trying -- not necessarily succeeding -- to make a profit with your venture. The IRS uses several different criteria for deciding whether or not your business truly has a profit motive.
The "3-of-5" test. One popular test for determining profit motive is called the "3-of-5" test. If your business made a profit in any three out of the past five consecutive years, it is presumed to have a profit motive. This means that if you claim a loss for the third straight year after starting your business, you may be inviting an audit.
Other ways to prove your business is legitimate. While the IRS gives a lot of weight to the 3-of-5 test, it is not conclusive. You can use virtually any kind of evidence to show that you're trying to make money. Business cards, a well-maintained set of books, a separate business bank account, current business licenses and permits, and advertising or other marketing efforts will all help to persuade an IRS auditor that your activity really is a business.
Chin up. We're all on this ride together
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Post by: RiverRockArts on March 15, 2012, 06:40:43 PM
I wrote the previous post before reading through all the other posts.  Thanks, Andrew, for writing about your experience when you first started out.  That helped me put things more into perspective.  Maybe I am just worrying too much...after all, we still have Christmas at the end of the year. :)  Last year I had barely started selling and didn't have much made.  This year I will be ready for all those shoppers.  I am trying to come up with some new ideas for items...maybe some smaller items like ceramic pendants?  There's a lot of possibilities...just need to find the time to work on some of them.  I have a lot of ideas.

This is the shop I promote the most and try to get people to come here instead of the other sites I have listings on because this is the one I feel is the best, and not just for the shop part of it.  I also like the community on this site...that's important too.  I found a lot of caring people in the forums here.  Please ignore the temporary insanity of the venting post.  Well, time to get back to work and to stop with the gloomy thoughts. :)
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Post by: RiverRockArts on March 15, 2012, 06:48:11 PM
Thanks, Andrew.  That government thing really had me worried.  I'm glad you never heard of that.  Maybe whoever said that to me didn't know what they were talking about. I sure hope so.  I am an accountant but not a tax accountant, so I am not up on the tax rules...only learned enough to pass the tax part of the exam and do my own taxes. :)  I took out no loans...my business is all self-funded from my savings.  I want to keep it loan free, so I only do what I can do and add what I can add as I am able. 
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Post by: Blue Highways on March 15, 2012, 06:52:40 PM
check out 2 posts down...it explains better what you were worried about, we posted at the same time so you probably missed it
Title: Re: Huge amount of views/no sales. Does my shop stink?? lol
Post by: RiverRockArts on March 15, 2012, 07:01:21 PM
You're right RRA. We do all have those days and we're all here to support and encourage in times like that/this.
As for the IRS, a girlfriend and I were talking about that very thing recently and I found:
Quote
you must prove to the IRS that you're trying -- not necessarily succeeding -- to make a profit with your venture. The IRS uses several different criteria for deciding whether or not your business truly has a profit motive.
The "3-of-5" test. One popular test for determining profit motive is called the "3-of-5" test. If your business made a profit in any three out of the past five consecutive years, it is presumed to have a profit motive. This means that if you claim a loss for the third straight year after starting your business, you may be inviting an audit.
Other ways to prove your business is legitimate. While the IRS gives a lot of weight to the 3-of-5 test, it is not conclusive. You can use virtually any kind of evidence to show that you're trying to make money. Business cards, a well-maintained set of books, a separate business bank account, current business licenses and permits, and advertising or other marketing efforts will all help to persuade an IRS auditor that your activity really is a business.
Chin up. We're all on this ride together

The 3 of 5 rules is what I was referring to.  2012 will be my third year according to the government if they look at me having organizational expenses at the end of 2010.  I only started working on organizing that November and didn't get the sales tax number (the final piece I needed before I could start selling) until the middle of last summer because of the slowness of the government.  Then I had to get more items made before I had enough to start listing, which took until November of last year.  Most of last year was taken up by getting supplies (wholesaler is only open when I am working, so had to have a weekday off to get them) and then the workroom took forever to get finished because of an issue with a contractor.  After too much time went buy and the contractor did nothing, I hirred a different one who did a great job.  I was working at the kitchen counter most of that time, so things didn't go as fast as if I had room to put things and not have to clean up afterward.  It was a partially dug out crawl space room that had to be waterproofed and redone because it was done incorrectly originally.  Now that that is all over, I hope this year I can show even a very small profit. 
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Post by: MakinTheBest on March 16, 2012, 02:43:26 PM
So much to think about!  I know people are frustrated and so are we.  We live in a fairly small town and makes me so sad to drive through and see all the closed businesses.  We have been working our personal business for quite a while before starting the forum and shop and understand the frustration.  The market is tough, despite the government claiming improvements, and people are either still struggling or just now climbing out of the hole.  Gas prices keep climbing and it has been shown, can't remember where, that for every $1 raise in gas it keeps $3Billion out of the local economy.  Basically, people are holding onto their money and we tend to sell the extras that people just are not buying as quickly.


The good thing is that things go in cycles, and if things are improving then we can only cycle up!  Bottom line, keep pushing yourself and look for creative ways to get your products in front of buyers and Andrew and I will keep pushing from our end!
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Post by: RiverRockArts on March 16, 2012, 03:37:14 PM
Kimberly,

I don't care what the government claims, I never believe them anyway. Don't get me started on them. :)  I agree with you that we sell the extras, but even in hard times there seems to always be some people who have the money to buy.  We just have to find them.  We can always hope for Christmas when everyone seem to buy. :)  I will be ready for that this year.  What do you think about ceramic pendants?  I am tossing around ideas for smaller items.
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Post by: MakinTheBest on March 16, 2012, 04:35:37 PM
Kimberly,

I don't care what the government claims, I never believe them anyway. Don't get me started on them. :)  I agree with you that we sell the extras, but even in hard times there seems to always be some people who have the money to buy.  We just have to find them.  We can always hope for Christmas when everyone seem to buy. :)  I will be ready for that this year.  What do you think about ceramic pendants?  I am tossing around ideas for smaller items.


 i love the idea of pendants!  Your mugs and stuff are beautiful beyond belief, but your price points are definitely higher.  Maybe pendants could fill that need and gain you customers that want to shop a lower price and come back later when they are ready to spend bigger bucks.
Title: Re: Huge amount of views/no sales. Does my shop stink?? lol
Post by: Luv2ScrapForU on March 16, 2012, 07:07:32 PM
What about cards? Do people just not buy cards anymore? :(
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Post by: RiverRockArts on March 16, 2012, 07:22:35 PM
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i love the idea of pendants!  Your mugs and stuff are beautiful beyond belief, but your price points are definitely higher.  Maybe pendants could fill that need and gain you customers that want to shop a lower price and come back later when they are ready to spend bigger bucks.

Thank you, Kimberly.  I have tossed around the pendant idea for a little while and looked a little into various ways to make them...hand built, making a press mold once I get a style I like, or making a mold from something I already have here.  I had an idea of making a mold from parts of a bracelet my dad brought back from overseas when he was in the Navy.  It has Egyptian designs on it.  Once I research which material would be best to use for a mold, I want to try that. 

I agree that the items I currently have are higher priced, but they have to be to cover their costs.  I wanted to find something I could sell for a lower price, and the idea of ceramic jewelry came to mind.  I want to have items in multiple price ranges.
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Post by: MakinTheBest on March 17, 2012, 06:35:22 AM
Please don't think I am bashing your prices at all!  I love your work and think your prices are absolutely fair for the work that goes into them, but having a lower price point may bring in new customers for you that you didn't attract before.
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Post by: RiverRockArts on March 17, 2012, 07:51:23 AM
Please don't think I am bashing your prices at all!  I love your work and think your prices are absolutely fair for the work that goes into them, but having a lower price point may bring in new customers for you that you didn't attract before.

Kimberly,

I didn't get that impression at all.  I agree about the lower price point...that's why I have been tossing around ideas for smaller items that I don't have to charge as much for. 
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Post by: Blue Highways on March 17, 2012, 08:04:55 AM
What about cards? Do people just not buy cards anymore? :(


I buy cards. I also am one of the last snail mailers out there, while I don't write super long letters I do like to send a short note in a card, and ALWAYS send a note when I ship a sale. I think your cards are cute...but sadly I don't do cute...NO offense, lots of people do. If you head in the no-so-sweet direction I promise to be first in line!
Hang in there, Kim!
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Post by: MakinTheBest on March 17, 2012, 11:51:31 AM
What about cards? Do people just not buy cards anymore? :(


I buy cards. I also am one of the last snail mailers out there, while I don't write super long letters I do like to send a short note in a card, and ALWAYS send a note when I ship a sale. I think your cards are cute...but sadly I don't do cute...NO offense, lots of people do. If you head in the no-so-sweet direction I promise to be first in line!
Hang in there, Kim!


Funny, I still send cards!  In fact, each package I ship gets a card that I make (small little ones out of my scrap pile!).  I also am big on sending cards to friends just so their mail is not full of junk and bills all the time.  As far as buying them, I usually make them myself-never to sell-just because I enjoy the process.
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Post by: Dee38753 on March 17, 2012, 11:56:31 AM
What about cards? Do people just not buy cards anymore? :(


I buy cards. I also am one of the last snail mailers out there, while I don't write super long letters I do like to send a short note in a card, and ALWAYS send a note when I ship a sale. I think your cards are cute...but sadly I don't do cute...NO offense, lots of people do. If you head in the no-so-sweet direction I promise to be first in line!
Hang in there, Kim!


Funny, I still send cards!  In fact, each package I ship gets a card that I make (small little ones out of my scrap pile!).  I also am big on sending cards to friends just so their mail is not full of junk and bills all the time.  As far as buying them, I usually make them myself-never to sell-just because I enjoy the process.

I make all my own cards, too. Not to sale...but for personal use. I love the feel of paper and the smell of glue...I know that sounds bad...especially since I am also a digital scrapbook kit designer...but it is true!!
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Post by: nicilaskin on March 17, 2012, 01:30:30 PM
All I can say is that these are really tough times. We had nearly 100 sales per day at the end of Jan. in Etsy and now we are down to 5 sales. I have friends in the real estate business and web design business that were swamped in Jan. and Feb. and now they have next to nothing. People have short attention spans, so even if you are popular and up one day, expect to crash the next.

I rolled the dice a bit in the beginning on Etsy and sold my products at a loss. Everyone complained and said don't do it, people will think you are a reseller from china. Did it any way, just to get sales. There is something psychological for buyers to see lots of sales. You might want to try making mother's day cards, tagging them for mother's day, and lowering the price. Most people tend to buy cards for special holidays like V-Day, Mother's Day, Father's Day, and Christmas.

Think of it as running your own business. Some financial advisors say expect to have two even three years savings and don't expect to make even a dime during that period. The work week should be about 60 hours as well. It is really tiring to work so hard for so little, but that's what it takes. Selling online is just one venue, so don't forget to get out there and go to craft shows and markets. Set up your own .com as well.

I have 400 items for sale in my Artfire shop and 5 views daily through Google Analytics. Here at HA, I have only 60 and am receiving 35 views daily, so whatever Andrew and Kimberly are doing is definitely working. Hang tough and work hard for each and every sale. List more, hop on trends, price well, pin it, stumble it, heart it, tweet it, facebook it, and blog it each and every time.

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Post by: MakinTheBest on March 17, 2012, 01:32:23 PM
Thanks for the boost Nici!  by the way, I have one of your picks marked for my son't birthday!
Title: Re: Huge amount of views/no sales. Does my shop stink?? lol
Post by: Larissa on March 17, 2012, 06:38:53 PM
What about cards? Do people just not buy cards anymore? :(


I buy cards. I also am one of the last snail mailers out there, while I don't write super long letters I do like to send a short note in a card, and ALWAYS send a note when I ship a sale. I think your cards are cute...but sadly I don't do cute...NO offense, lots of people do. If you head in the no-so-sweet direction I promise to be first in line!
Hang in there, Kim!


Funny, I still send cards!  In fact, each package I ship gets a card that I make (small little ones out of my scrap pile!).  I also am big on sending cards to friends just so their mail is not full of junk and bills all the time.  As far as buying them, I usually make them myself-never to sell-just because I enjoy the process.

I totally still send cards!  I love cards.  My biggest problem is that while I'd definitely prefer handmade, I have a bad habit of waiting 'til the last minute to get them & then having to go to Hallmark to do it.  And when I say last minute, I mean like on the way to a friend's birthday party and I still need the card.  If I can get myself organized, I can buy online.
Title: Re: Huge amount of views/no sales. Does my shop stink?? lol
Post by: lisianblue on March 17, 2012, 07:17:06 PM
ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto...........................................................to just about everything everyone has said!
It does get a bit discouraging at times - and I know I'm running out of room to store things!  But I also need to get things relisted that I had off while I was gone.

My experience with etsy - I was pretty active there for about 2 years and sold about 26 items,  heck, I couldn't keep up with the constant relisting to stay off page 3000!

ArtFire - I don't know - about 24 sales and then nothing for quite a while.   I was lucky to get in there with a very low monthly cost - a little more than HAS - so I'll keep some of my things there.

I'm not sure I could do this and work a regular job too.  But, that's me.  12 + years ago, maybe.
I think part of the strategy is to have  really good time management.    I finally made use of my google calender and made up sort of a schedule for myself.  (we'll see how well it works!)
I know I get so lost in all the promoting, and honestly I can't even figure some of it out!
It's really been hard to get back into the flow of things again after being gone for 6 mo's.
I've been checking my blog stats lately - ok I don't have 100's of views, but since I've been doing the HAF blog ring and the artfire crazytrain posts on a more regular basis, I've been getting more views - from all over world  - so, I know it's working!  it's more than just the people posting comments from the blog ring.  and like Sandi said, you never know when that "one" person will find your site and keep it in mind - and hopefully it will be more than just one!   I have a lot of bookmarks for when I finally get enough $ to go buy some things!
RiverRock - I love your work,  and I have an idea for you, but I will send you a message about it!!! Hang in there, and come join our blog ring if you have a little spare time! lo

Knocked Andrew off the soap box with this one, huh! sorry it's so long

Love to scrap4you - When I was making cards, I found that when I didn't give people a choice, they sold better.  I know, you would think that being able to customize their note cards would be awesome.  But, not always! Maybe do some that are for sell just the way they are - with no options to customize along with the customizable ones.