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Title: Welcome and some advice
Post by: trusk4u on March 07, 2015, 12:10:30 PM
A big welcome to all the new shops! It takes time to set up a shop and get it just the way you want it. I've noticed that SOOO many do not have avatars or banners. I would suggest that it be one of the first things you do. It gives your shop identity, your personality. Otherwise, even if you have the most fabulous things, people are not likely to look because they aren't seeing what you are about. people are very visual. Take some time and do that small stuff. We all know it tedious, but it is still important. The sales will come, but YOU have to put in the effort to MAKE it happen. :)
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: MakinTheBest on March 07, 2015, 01:37:30 PM
Amen!  You would not move into a brick and mortar shop on main street and never take the paper out of the window or forget to put up your sign....that is what your banner and avatar it.  It lets customers know you are here to stay and that you take your business seriously.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: trusk4u on March 07, 2015, 02:56:39 PM
Amen!  You would not move into a brick and mortar shop on main street and never take the paper out of the window or forget to put up your sign....that is what your banner and avatar it.  It lets customers know you are here to stay and that you take your business seriously.

I am seeing this in older shops too. With my little self imposed promoting campaign, I am passing over those shops. It just looks lazy and extremely boring. I'm trying to show shops that actually have stuff in them.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: trusk4u on March 10, 2015, 04:06:31 PM
 ::) Another thing I've noticed when looking through the various shops today, LACK of DESCRIPTION! I think the best advice I ever got about writing descriptions is to write it as if the person you're saying it can not see it. DETAILS are so important! I've seen several listings that are just one line, maybe two and really say nothing about the item they are hoping to sell. Not trying to be mean, but I wouldn't buy it . People want information!!! Content is as important if not more so than quantity of product in a shop.
Okay, off the soapbox now.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: MakinTheBest on March 11, 2015, 10:51:37 AM
Don't come down off your box just yet!  In fact, I'll climb up there with you!  How are you going to buy something online if you don't know size, material, weight, etc?  People need to remember that we can't stop and pick up and touch our work so we have to make sure that they know exactly what they are getting through descriptions.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: trusk4u on March 11, 2015, 12:01:53 PM
Don't come down off your box just yet!  In fact, I'll climb up there with you!  How are you going to buy something online if you don't know size, material, weight, etc?  People need to remember that we can't stop and pick up and touch our work so we have to make sure that they know exactly what they are getting through descriptions.

 :D
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: MarilynKelleyDesigns on March 12, 2015, 04:45:32 AM
There are many shops on HA that have no banners, avatars, descriptions or even a buyer announcement at the top of their shop page.  I'm sure that the "Featured Artist"  is set up to run automatically, but as a prospective new seller or buyer, I think it looks bad to have those shops as a "featured Artist" on the home page.  There are alot of Etsy sellers looking for a new home for their products and I think the home page should reflect sellers who do everything they can (banners, avatars, descriptions, profiles, etc.) to present their shop in the best possible way. Not being featured on the home page might also spur those other shops to spruce up their shops in order to be featured.  Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: trusk4u on March 12, 2015, 06:46:00 AM
I couldn't agree with you more Marilyn. I know I don't like seeing it. Not sure how you could fix that though. I would think it would be an either leave it as it is, or get rid of it completely. (the featured artist row) 
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: MarilynKelleyDesigns on March 12, 2015, 08:37:51 AM
I couldn't agree with you more Marilyn. I know I don't like seeing it. Not sure how you could fix that though. I would think it would be an either leave it as it is, or get rid of it completely. (the featured artist row)


Yes, that would be the problem. Only way I see around it would be to either hand pick a few featured artists each week or to require that every seller have a banner and avatar when they open their shop. 
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: chainmaille on March 12, 2015, 10:07:09 AM
We had a filter originally that wouldn't feature an artist without a avatar and they had to have at least 10 products.
However the code caused major issues, so we removed and simplified the featured artist, and featured everyone in turn.
with the new site, we may be able to revisit this and have some criteria for being the featured artist on the front page.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 12, 2015, 10:12:58 AM
Just look at right now on the left , newly listed the hats, no item description, no banner, no avatar, no shop description.... :police: >:(
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: MakinTheBest on March 12, 2015, 03:20:43 PM
As much as I would love to say you HAVE to have a banner and avatar in order to sell, it is really up to each individual shop owner to own their business.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: trusk4u on March 12, 2015, 04:05:57 PM
As much as I would love to say you HAVE to have a banner and avatar in order to sell, it is really up to each individual shop owner to own their business.

I would have to agree with you. It's not necessary, but it does make your shop (and the person who owns the shop) look professional and serious about what they are trying to accomplish. ::)
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 12, 2015, 04:22:25 PM
Look at this not even a description of the item.....on none of them

https://handmadeartists.com/product-details/Accessories/Hats/Hat%20for%20ladies/?pid=20150312053814a4238
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: trusk4u on March 13, 2015, 09:40:50 AM
 ::) Oh dear, I saw that too Monika. I don't get it.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: Larissa on March 13, 2015, 10:50:31 AM
I'd guess they're not handmade either.  On some, a ribbon & pin have been added.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 13, 2015, 01:07:37 PM
I'd guess they're not handmade either.  On some, a ribbon & pin have been added.

I have to agree.... :o
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: trusk4u on March 13, 2015, 01:38:28 PM
I'd guess they're not handmade either.  On some, a ribbon & pin have been added.

I have to agree.... :o

I thought that too, but I didn't want to say anything without evidence of some sort. Slipping through the cracks?
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: MarilynKelleyDesigns on March 14, 2015, 05:09:10 AM
Just thinking out loud. I'm wondering if some shop owners don't know who to make an avatar or banner. And lelt's face it, when you're starting out, you don't have money to buy them......or even know that there are people who create logos and banners.  When I started out on the internet many years ago, I didn't have a clue how to do those things. Maybe we could have a "welcoming committee" for new members to point them in the right direction as far as descriptions and we have a shop on HA (Helping Hands Graphic Design) that does graphics, banners, etc and her prices seem really resonable. Just throwing it out there..
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: myeuropeantouch on March 14, 2015, 05:20:42 AM
I agree, there needs to be more help in regards to some areas. Do you know there is no description anywhere on how to make a highlight? Do you know how many times I have been asked to write it out for the newbees?
Do you know many of them don't even know they are called highlights here on this site instead of Treasures or collection?
Let's face it, people are a bit non literal when it comes to computer websites, and I don't care if it says right on top "forum" many don't know how to go about it.

I speak form my own experience when I signed on, I had to figure this out over time, as there are no directions per see on "how to's". There are existing members who are still posting in the wrong forum threads, so you tell me if there needs to be some work done here....
Just saying..... :-[ :) stepping down.....LOL
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: trusk4u on March 14, 2015, 09:03:23 AM
I have no clue on how to make an avatar or a banner. The ones I am currently using I happened to win. Before that I bought them.

I do think having a threads that are just dedicated "how to" do stuff would be a good idea. With the revamp of the site including the forum, it's something to keep in mind.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: SamaritanJewelers on March 26, 2015, 04:46:19 AM
I have the avatar and soon I'll have my banner uploaded. I can't wait to try the Handmade Artists platform out. Looks great!
Thanks :).

Frank
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: NaturallyNickelFree on June 18, 2015, 09:27:54 AM
As a prospective seller, I have to say that it is a little off-putting (word?) to look through the list of sellers (I do this sort of thing) and see all the blanks instead of avatars. It makes the place seem a little deserted. I've been aware of the site for a long time though, and appreciate the forums and would like it to be a top choice.


Maybe a general email could even go out to sellers who need avatars and banners? I think it may be the right approach to offer help - many may have no idea how. Having a couple of people who offer graphics as a business would really improve participation, too, I think.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: Larissa on June 18, 2015, 09:42:55 AM
As a prospective seller, I have to say that it is a little off-putting (word?) to look through the list of sellers (I do this sort of thing) and see all the blanks instead of avatars. It makes the place seem a little deserted. I've been aware of the site for a long time though, and appreciate the form and would like it to be a top choice.


Maybe a general email could even go out to sellers who need avatars and banners? I think it may be the right approach to offer help - many may have no idea how. Having a couple of people who offer graphics as a business would really improve participation, too, I think.

There's at least one here who offers avatars and banners, and she's terrific at it.

I've often been tempted to private message sellers through their shops and tell them, "Look, you're not going anywhere without an avatar, banner, shop description, item descriptions, and non-blurry, non-yellowed, awful photos!"  That doesn't even take into account the misspellings, which both look unprofessional and don't help you get found in searches for an item!

But then I think they'll get defensive, not listen, and I'll just be known as a know-it-all b**tch.  Which I probably am, but at least I'd like to be a helpful know-it-all b**tch.  Y'know?
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: trusk4u on June 19, 2015, 07:07:06 AM
I have often thought the same thing Larissa. People can get really "weird" about getting advice. I also agree that it is off putting to see so many blanks when looking through the lists of vendors. It looks terrible. I just don't understand how people think they are going to sell anything with little to no effort.    :-\
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: chainmaille on June 19, 2015, 07:20:11 AM
Agreed, it drives me nuts.
We are a little way away from doing this, but I would like to have emails go out to new sellers automatically to help them fill out there profiles, avatars, banners, policies, etc. It shouldn't be that big of a deal to do. Just waiting for the new site to be complete. Which is a totally different story.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: trusk4u on June 21, 2015, 06:48:37 PM
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Just waiting for the new site to be complete. Which is a totally different story.   


This doesn't have a good ring to it at all. :(
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: myeuropeantouch on June 22, 2015, 05:12:22 AM
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Just waiting for the new site to be complete. Which is a totally different story.   


This doesn't have a good ring to it at all. :(

I agree, how many years has this now been in the works..... :)
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: chainmaille on June 22, 2015, 07:47:20 AM
it has probably been almost 2 years trying to get the new site done.
I'm as frustrated as everyone else.
We fired a developer, hired one they quit because they were a flake, rehired the first one again, fired them, and now on another one. They are doing well, just have been having some stumbling blocks. It will eventually get done, just want the core code to be right.

Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: MsMartyD on June 22, 2015, 11:11:54 AM
Larissa,   just go on being yourself.....    flake, know  it all b....  or  whatever else you choose to be.   You are doing fine.   Just don't let a stranger  get close enough to hit you.    I personally prefer the straight forward way of saying and doing things....    then  we all know where we stand.   You are doing fine  and I, for one  appreciated the  info I glean from your posts.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: Larissa on June 22, 2015, 11:13:50 AM
Larissa,   just go on being yourself.....    flake, know  it all b....  or  whatever else you choose to be.   You are doing fine.   Just don't let a stranger  get close enough to hit you.    I personally prefer the straight forward way of saying and doing things....    then  we all know where we stand.   You are doing fine  and I, for one  appreciated the  info I glean from your posts.

Ah, thanks!
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: byEmilie on June 27, 2015, 09:47:54 AM
I tried to get my avatar loaded up but it keeps telling me needs to be 125x 125pix not working for me.  :(

Well one only needs to be presistent to finally figure things out. Got my avatar up. YEAH!
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: chainmaille on June 27, 2015, 02:18:44 PM
Try to upload it here in this thread and we'll check the size for you.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: trusk4u on June 27, 2015, 02:44:48 PM
it has probably been almost 2 years trying to get the new site done.
I'm as frustrated as everyone else.
We fired a developer, hired one they quit because they were a flake, rehired the first one again, fired them, and now on another one. They are doing well, just have been having some stumbling blocks. It will eventually get done, just want the core code to be right.

 :( Well, I for one am sad about this. I can only imagine your frustration with the whole situation. Finding good people is really hard and only seems to be getting harder. Wish I could help you.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: iKnitQuiltSew on August 02, 2015, 01:51:40 PM
I made a video tutorial on how to set up your avatar on the HA Blog....  there's also one on how to set up your shop banner.  Maybe I need to do a video tutorial on creating your avatar banner from the start.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: byEmilie on August 02, 2015, 03:01:39 PM
I figured it out awhile ago ...
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: MsMartyD on August 07, 2015, 09:03:32 AM
I am so glad to see new names  on the forum!   The site is growing and seems to be flourishing!    Yea!!1
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: NaturallyNickelFree on August 07, 2015, 09:31:14 AM
I'm curious if any of them (like me) are refugees from ArtFire's past year of shenanigans. When you look around for sites that are really all handmade, there are not that many to choose from. I can handle non-handmade virtual-neighbors just for shopping, but I can't bring myself to promote them. It's also nice to be able to actually recommend the site to real-life neighbors who may also want to set up a shop. I haven't been able to do that for a while.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: chainmaille on August 07, 2015, 09:40:37 AM
We have refugees from everywhere. The issue has been, from the beginning, is that people come here and do not put in the effort to start over again. They may have been on etsy or artfire for years and have developed a following if you will and expect that immediately here. They may have 100's of items elsewhere but only a few here, and complain about not selling. Yet you go to their blog and they are promoting there etsy shop, their tweets and FB postings are for there etsy shop.
It is just frustrating for us as the owners of this site, to much in and out has made it a slow grow. A couple of years ago we had almost 300 more vendors, but they bailed wanting instant gratification instead of putting in a little effort.
We are still looking to the future in a positive note, we are in it for the long haul and will continue to do our best to promote handmade.
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: byEmilie on August 07, 2015, 10:41:36 AM
Bravo ... OK, Never thought of myself as a refugee ...but that certainly is a good way to put it.


Think I'm trying to do too much, which isn't unusual for anyone in the cottage crafting industry. Still want to have 100+ items up for sale by the end of this month and for some reason I don't think I'm going to make it. However, if I'd quit working out in the garden, eliminate my friends garage sale that I said I would help with and gallivanting off to Bay Beach with my Grand-kids to ride on the Tilt-A-Whirl  and bumper cars maybe I'd have things a bit more in line with my business.
  :P


Ah well, I'd love to start seeing some sales after I reach 100+ items up for sale, until than I'm having a bit of fun this summer since this season is so very short here in Wisconsin. I don't plan on giving up on this site anytime soon in fact I'm hoping this one will exceed what I've done on Etsy in time. I too am here for the long haul ...but I know it will take time and effort on my part to get it really kicked into gear. Till than Happy Crafting and sales everyone!!!

 
Title: Re: Welcome and some advice
Post by: trusk4u on August 07, 2015, 01:47:22 PM
I am waiting to get my move done and my studio set up again. I miss not making stuff!  I am trying to promote the site a bit more now, but even that is not really up to snuff right now.